Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-avalon-dev-archive@avalon.apache.org Received: (qmail 83972 invoked by uid 500); 21 May 2003 14:59:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@avalon.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Avalon Developers List" Reply-To: "Avalon Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@avalon.apache.org Received: (qmail 83961 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 14:59:50 -0000 Received: from smtp02.myhosting.com (168.144.68.182) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 21 May 2003 14:59:50 -0000 Received: from Lagrange ([80.252.165.122]) by smtp02.myhosting.com (Merak 5.5.7) with SMTP id KIC74160 for ; Wed, 21 May 2003 11:00:03 -0400 From: "Leo Sutic" To: "'Avalon Developers List'" Subject: RE: Community Questions (Was Re: [Avalon] Major Issues that are in Conflict) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:59:34 +0200 Message-ID: <004b01c31fa9$984d1b30$0801a8c0@Lagrange> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3ECB7BDB.7050403@apache.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:bloritsch@apache.org] > > What is at stake here is not whether we should help our > developers, but whether we should allow any one developer to > over-rule the decision of a community. > > The "developer-centric" approach works in corporate > environments because the team needs to get behind the lead's > vision or they get fired/ reassigned/etc. It should be noted that a developer in a corporate setting that overrules the decision of the corporate equivalent of our community, that is, management, will be fired. So we have: Apache Corporate --------- ---------- Committer <-> Developer Community <-> Management It is my understanding that a corporate developer that overrules management has handed himself a pink slip. The same goes for the manager that overrules *his* manager, and so on, until the CEO gets kicked for overruling the board. That we have the equivalent of a management consisting of developers does not change any of that - it just changes the way decisions are made. But once they are made, the same rules apply. /LS --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@avalon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@avalon.apache.org