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From Steven Noels <stev...@outerthought.org>
Subject Re: [jira] Created: (PNIX-14) Convert to MetaClass for Generic MetaData access
Date Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:21:36 GMT
On 26/03/2003 1:50 Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 15:56, Steven Noels wrote:
>>I'd be perfectly willing to do so, if that message is a real issue for 
>>the Avalon PMC. I don't want to spread FUD with regards to Codehaus, 
>>though. Since the people behind Jira over there 
>>(http://jira.codehaus.org/Administrators.jspa) should be in perfectly 
>>good standing with the ASF, some of them even being Member as opposed to 
>>me, maybe they might be willing to change that message on their frontpage.

> That said anyone here is welcomed to use the JIRA installation on the
> codehaus box. I'm also sure Mike would give you a copy of JIRA to
> install anywhere you wished. I'm certainly not trying to garner any
> favouritism by helping you host your issue tracking system. Something
> for issue tracking is needed and the process/software for issue tracking
> at Jakarta is broken and this is obvious to many.

I feel somehow being misinterpreted: the idea about the diverging goals 
of Codehaus clearly isn't mine, but Berin's. I was just hesitantly 
stating that, _given_ serious issues and a real need to move, I would be 
willing to help Avalon out. As it looks right now, I see even less 
reason to move issue tracking away from Codehaus, as I was already 
expecting. So basically, my offer still stands, but as far as I can see 
right now, the decision where to host issue tracking for Avalon seems 
pretty arbitrary to me.

<imho>I agree on the abysmal state of mailing list archiving and issue 
tracking @ Apache, of course, one of the main reasons I started 
cocoondev.org myself. Not to bypass infrastructure@apache.org, but 
because I didn't have the time nor the energy to earn the trust needed 
to get access to these installations. Now that cocoondev.org is out 
there, I'm feeling the pain some of the Apache infrastructure people 
have been subjected to for a long time. But at least I can now blame it 
on myself. :-)</imho>

I'm also adverse towards any favouritism: 


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