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From Stephen McConnell <mcconn...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] lifecycle release
Date Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:28:34 GMT

Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

> Stephen McConnell wrote:
> >> after that, nobody should be able to place vetos. avalon is owned by
>>> the community, not by individuals. 
>> +1
> a few hours before the same Stephen McConnell wrote:
>> -1 (veto)
> I'm starting to find this list rather funny.

What do you find funny?

Do you find it funny the fact that after community discussion of the 
subject of rationalization and consideration of Avalon - and the 
resulting decision to migrate from Excalibur CLI to Commons CLI, that 
Peter Donald changes the Phoenix CVS to (a) reference a forked version 
of the CLI package (b) contravening the ASL license, (c) in 
contravention with community consensus, and (d)  without any 
consultation with the Avalon Community?  Personally I don't find that funny.

While I do see signs of a certain level of disrespect by Peter Donald 
for the Avalon Community and the ASF, I don't see any reason to hold 
this against him personally.  After all - there is nothing in our bylaws 
that require committers to engage with and support the consensus of 
opinion of the communities to which they are associated. If you consider 
the actions of Peter Donald and the veto that I have put in place, it 
will not take a major leap of understanding to reach the conclusion that 
I simply stating to Peter Donald that the changes that he has made are 
not acceptable based on the information available to me. I remain open 
and receptive to comments from Peter Donald and/or other ASF commiters 
as to why the introduction of dependencies with an external source 
repository offering an inferior solution to the Jakarta Commons CLI 
package is beneficial to the Avalon or ASF community.  If you have a 
specific opinion on this matter I am more than will to listen to it. If 
on the other-hand you remark is simply a throw-away line designed to 
undermine a veto then I can safely ignore it.

Cheers, Steve.


Stephen J. McConnell

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