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From Nicola Ken Barozzi <nicola...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Hierarchy.java
Date Tue, 04 Mar 2003 13:38:25 GMT

Berin Loritsch wrote, On 03/03/2003 13.52:
> Peter Donald wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:27, Stephen McConnell wrote:
>>> Stephen McConnell wrote:
>>>> Peter:
>>>> There was discussion on the subject of log listener related methods
>>>> prior to the release of logkit during which it was my understanding
>>>> that the add/remove listener was the preferred approach over a set
>>>> approach. 
>> Not preferred by me. Mind numbingly stupid I thought but that is to be 
>> expected when the people who are "designing" the functionality don't 
>> even know what the use case is.
> Peter, you have been presented many opportunities to present your use
> cases.  You never did.  You also circumvented the way we do things in
> Avalon.  Things like that require consensus, and I do not recall you
> even bringing it up.  I like you on many levels, but what we came up
> with was a compromise.  We need to live with it even if it is
> sub-optimal.
> I highly recommend that you revert your change, because it slaps the
> community in the face.  You could have been part of the discussion
> when it was being added in a more constructive way.  I put it in there
> the way you had it--which sparked community discussion.  The community
> decided that they preferred the method that is currently there.
> Also, you need to think of our users.  If a method is introduced in
> one release, and then deprecated in the next--with no clear technical
> advantage--then they will start to get fed up with our stuff.  I
> personally don't want to see that happen.
> -1 to the change, esp in the manner in which it was done.

Peter, if not already done (AFAIK), please revert the changes immediately.

> Feel free to put your use cases on the table.

Then we can can discuss it and you can lobby the vetoer.

Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

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