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From Paul Hammant <Paul_Hamm...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Avalon Components
Date Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:22:48 GMT

>> I do not share you vision, however it is felt that this is best, so 
>> be it.
> I'd like to hear yours, or at least why you don't like the above!

There is not much point to opening the wound again.  In some way shape 
or form Uber is coming.  I do not believe the merit need was there.  I 
loved the multi container world.  I have two (Jesktop and EOB) that 
stand to be obsoleted in the stamepede towards uber.  If it works 
bgreat, but I have my doubts.  

Also as I work for an agile consultancy, I belive in the refactor (big 
design) from working, live and deployed (small design) projects. 
 Phoenix and Fortress and ECM and Merlin were that.  EOB and Jesktop 
too.  We were having a great time with many containers and were only at 
the start of the container landscape.  We'd not seen the Tomcat team 
come to us and say "we love Avalon's ideas but give us a container that 
we can work with".   The mandate, based on merit, is completely missing. 
 We'd barely convinced anyone to make non static components to sit in an 
IoC container.

As I say, I only wanted to remind people that though I am helping with 
the Uber effort and the big depot changes, I do not agree with them.

- Paul

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