Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jakarta-avalon-dev-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 7422 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2002 21:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nagoya.betaversion.org) (192.18.49.131) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 2002 21:16:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 19533 invoked by uid 97); 20 Nov 2002 21:17:03 -0000 Delivered-To: qmlist-jakarta-archive-avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 19428 invoked by uid 97); 20 Nov 2002 21:17:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact avalon-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Avalon Developers List" Reply-To: "Avalon Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 19409 invoked by uid 98); 20 Nov 2002 21:17:02 -0000 X-Antivirus: nagoya (v4218 created Aug 14 2002) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Peter Donald To: avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org Subject: Pete ousted? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:24:48 +1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 X-Wisdom: A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200211210824.48050.peter@apache.org> X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Hi, I got up this morning and lo and behold I find out the announcement that = my=20 account has been suspended. So thats irritates me. It seems the board has= =20 decided on a mechanism to resolve Avalons problems. A little bit depresessing given what I have put into this project and Apa= che=20 in general. For about 3 years now I have been putting in between 10 and 2= 0=20 hours a week supporting and developing Avalon. When I got here it was a b= it=20 of a mess but I managed to help clean things up or poke other people into= =20 doing so. I have also spent a considerable effort to get more people involved in Av= alon.=20 Even given how unsexy work on a framework is I always tried to encourage=20 people to contribute in various ways. I also tried to get people involved= by=20 nominating them and making sure they had the opportunity to get involved.= =20 This probably includes most of the currently active committers (all excep= t=20 Berin?). This also includes supporting a lot of people who are not Avalon= =20 devs but do use parts of our work. Even when I disagreed with something I helped make it happen. All the ugl= y=20 hacks re marker interfaces was added and then left in for cocoon support,= as=20 was ComponentSelector, and the release() method was also left in due to=20 cocoon wants. I have also expended considerable effort updating ECM when = I=20 don't use it and cleaning Fortress even though I don't much like the desi= gn=20 choices. Never once have I tried to "fix" these problems for other people= =2E=20 They happen to like them so I let them develope their own solutions. Even with Merlin you will be hard pressed to find a case where I was not=20 supportive of Stephens changes as long as it did not harm others. Merlin1= was=20 a fork of Phoenix but far from discouraging it I actually encouraged and=20 prodded until it finally got extracted. Even with early Merlin2 work I wa= s=20 encouraging it despite it largely being yet another fork. I even recall=20 suggesting that it replace Fortress as low end container. Not once have I consciously gone out to harm Avalon and yet here we are. = I=20 have been judged unworth from those on high. It seems unlikely that I wil= l=20 change and thus unlikely that I will be allowed back. Can't say thats a n= ice=20 prospect but I am not sure there are any alternatives.=20 Haven't read all (any) of the mail back log yet and not sure I will for a= bit. As to where I will go next? Not sure. I still am working on the same stuf= f I=20 have been working on for about 5 years (3 here at Avalon) so I will conti= nue=20 that - not sure where or not sure how --=20 Cheers, Peter Donald Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire=20 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail: