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From Stephen McConnell <mcconn...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev and avalon-user mailing list
Date Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:55:24 GMT

Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

> Berin Loritsch wrote:
>>> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
>>> I propose that we switch to a single avalon-dev and avalon-user 
>>> mailing list.
>>> It enables us to follow better all that is happening in avalon-land, 
>>> and is much more important now that we are working on a unified vision.
>>> Please cast your votes (on avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org):
>>> mine: +1
>> -1  We separated the mailing lists for a reason.  The user
>> questions will get lost in all of the development threads,
>> and the user won't get the answers they want.  With separate
>> threads, we can properly support our users while we are
>> embroiled in the design for Avalon 5 with ref. container.
> Careful, Nicola used very bad wording: hs is not proposing to unify 
> *all* mail lists into one, he's proposing that we merge all 
> development mail lists into one and all users mail list into one and 
> result in just a single community of developers and a single community 
> of users.
> I see *great* value on this proposal as the first *real* step in doing 
> something to force people to collaborate.
> Right now, with the excuse of caring about his users, phoenix is 
> effectively implementing stuff that is not decided by the avalon 
> community. This means that the avalon PMC has no legal oversight on 
> what's happening there. This is a serious concern. Bringing 
> communities back together might slow down things a little on phoenix 
> land but it is definately a good thing for Avalon in general.
> And this is why I voted +1

Good summary.

Its why I voted +1 as well - the community takes precedence over product.

Cheers, Steve.


Stephen J. McConnell

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