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From Stephen McConnell <mcconn...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Maven, notes from XtC with James Strachan and Vincent Massol
Date Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:33:17 GMT

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

> Paul Hammant wrote:
>> Stephen,
>>>>> I'm going to compare notes with some people who have been using it 
>>>>> for a while and see what they think.  
>>>> OK, I've chatted to others at XtC last night.  There seems to be 
>>>> nothing but admiration for Maven.  Of those using Maven for the 
>>>> last couple of months amonsgst my contacts, there have been no 
>>>> regrets.
>>>> I think we should avail of Jason (and others) help.  It may be best 
>>>> to start in Avalon-Excalibur as I have spend loads of time 
>>>> harmonising the build files.  If every a project-object-model was 
>>>> justifiable, Excalibur is it.  There is about 50:50 split between 
>>>> Anakia and Cocoon for doc building, but flipping to one or the 
>>>> other for consitency should not be hard now.
>>> Maybe 60:40 - Merlin has dropped Anika in favour of Cocoon.
>> Yup, that makes me remember the thing that has been nagging me since 
>> mulling this Maven thing -  We are being disloyal to Nicola Ken.  
>> He's been a loyal fan and servant of the Avalon and Cocoon community 
>> since the beginning of the year (and probably before) and we invited 
>> him into our CVS, originally with much enthusiasm to turn everything 
>> into a Centipede compatible build system.  In the ideal world two 
>> projects would never have started at the same time with people from 
>> the same community, but it happened.  I guess there is difference 
>> enough to preclude a merger nowadays. Nicola, this is nothing 
>> personal, it is just an inevitability given Maven is going primetime 
>> and the bleeding edge Apache projects are moving towards it.
> The fact is that Centipede did more than an month ago most of what 
> MAven does now, and is now continuing development.
> There is nothing in Maven that Centipede doesn't or is not going to 
> have soon.
> The much hyped reactor is not much different from Gump, the descriptor 
> too, and Centipede does it all with much less code.
> Well, none in fact, it just uses Ant in a clever way.
> The real difference is that Maven gets more attention and use, which 
> is due to the fact that I chose to start the project on SF rather than 
> in Apache, trying to follow our guidelines instead of stretching them.
> As I already said to the James community, wait for final releases of 
> the two, and test them.
> Only *then* make a decision.

Any indications of the timeline here ?

Cheers, Steve.


Stephen J. McConnell

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