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From Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>
Subject Re: All committers please read -> Bad Karma is happening.
Date Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:06:54 GMT
+1 on peace, lurrve and understanding. But that's kinda hard to enforce..

The definition of -1, from http://jakarta.apache.org/site/decisions.html,
says that "no veto can be overruled", and that the vetoee's only recourse
is to "lobby the person who cast the veto". Tough luck if they prove

If it were my changes being vetoed by some complete bastard ;) I'd route
around the problem. Commit the changes to a branch, and bring up the
issue at another time. Add a README.txt to the project root, saying "Hey,
there's this FOO branch where I've been committing stuff that committer P
doesn't agree with.  Come play if you like". Imagine: if *everyone*
agrees with you, eventually only the vetoer will be left on the CVS head,
developing in isolation. And when the finally crack, it's only one CVS
command to make another branch the head.

The HALF_BRANCHING.txt file in Excalibur CVS describes how to branch just
a few files, and create a script that allows others to easily adopt your

As a solution, it's inferior to P,L & U, but better than simply
disregarding the rules about vetos, or giving up and abandoning Avalon.


On, Aug 17, 2002 at 09:46:11AM +0100, Paul Hammant wrote:
> Folks,
> There appears to be a little discord present in the avalon-dev list, and 
> hence the Avalon Developer community.  I'd like to propose that we seek 
> to achieve multiple things ...
>  1) calm things down.
>  2) arbitrate between opposing factions
>  3) consider what is best for individual sub-projects of Avalon
>     constantly.
>  4) define whether we should be voting in advance or in arrears
>     of significant contributions to common projects (nobody gives
>     stuff what I do to apps/db/** right?)
>  5) aim to be all lovey-dovey from a point of time none to distant in 
> the future.
> I'd like to vote +1 for each of the above to kick things off.
> I'd also like to add something from a personal agenda:
>  6) each and every committer should consider xdocs source to be 
> temporarily
>     more important than java source and got on with some additions. 
> Even if
>     compiling it is strangely beyond them, I will consent to fix 
> compilation
>     issues
> +1 for that too.
> Non committers could voice their solidarity to the process by with a 
> single comment persuading us go with peacemaking if they believe it is best.
> Regards,
> - Paul

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