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From "Eung-ju Park" <colu...@hotmail.com>
Subject Re: Avalon and Turbine
Date Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:00:21 GMT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Schrader" <kschrader@karmalab.org>
To: "Avalon Developers List" <avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org>; "Nicola Ken
Barozzi" <nicolaken@apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: Avalon and Turbine

> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> > Well, Cocoon is made to run on anything, given that the proper
> > classes are coded.
> > Currently it sits on top of a servlet, but it's more of a hack that
> > out of necessity.
> > We use nothing of the servlet stuff, and the classloading tomcat does
> > gives us headaches.
> >
> > Cocoon should really be a Phoenix server application, on the same level
> > James, Tomcat, Turbine, etc...
> >
> > Since Avalon framework and Excalibur are basically Avalon-commons, they
> > used at all levels: in phoenix, in server apps, in block, in classes,
> >
> > This means that Turbine would sit on phoenix (and have a standard way of
> > using services), while keeping the ability of defining it's own
> > Phoenix would give Turbine all the services for free, and add admin
> > capability (in the works), that would be consistent across all Phoenix
> While all of this sounds very nice, I know that myself and a number of
> other Turbine developers have a need to continue using Turbine as a
> standard servlet packed inside of a .war that we can drop into a servlet
> container.  As far as I can tell from this discussion so far, using
> Phoenix would no longer allow this to happen, or at least not in an
> elegant manner.  Am I just off base here?  Can Phoenix be bootstrapped
> from a servlet and be run that way?

Phoenix can be bootstrapped from servlet. See
But it is not smart and useful.

I think turbine on phoenix on servlet container is so heavy. Just turbine on
servlet container is better. IMHO

> -Kurt
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