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From Zameer Manji <>
Subject Re: Discussion on review request 51536
Date Fri, 02 Sep 2016 21:26:09 GMT
*cc: Renan*

I think there is some disagreement/discussion on the review because we have
not achieved consensus on the design. Since the design doc was written,
Aurora adopted multiple executor support as well non HTTP based
healthchecking. This invalidates some parts of the original design. I think
all of the solutions here are possible amendments to the design doc.

I am not in favor of Solution 2 at all because status updates between
executor <-> agent <-> master <-> scheduler are designed to update the
framework of updates to the task and not really designed to send arbitrary
information. Just because the Mesos API provides us with a string field
doesn't mean we should try to pack in arbitrary data. Also, it isn't clear
what other capabilities we might add in the future so I'm unconvinced that
capabilities needs to exist at all. My fear is that we will create the
infrastructure for capabilities just to serve this need and nothing else.

I object to Solution 1 along the same lines. The Mesos API isn't designed
for packing arbitrary data in the status update message and I don't think
we should abuse that and rely on that. Also our current infrastructure just
plumbs the message to the UI and I think displaying capabilities is not
something we should do.

I am in favor of Solution 3 which is as close as possible to the original
design in the design doc. The design doc says the following:

Scheduler updater will skip the minWaitInInstanceMs (aka watch_secs
> <>)
> grace period any time it detects a named port ‘health’ in task
> configuration. A RUNNING instance status will signify the end of instance
> update.

Instead of detecting the 'health' port in the task configuration, we make
enabling this feature explicitly by enabling a bit in the task
configuration with the `executorDrivenUpdates` bit.

I understand this option makes this feature more complex because it
requires a schema change and requires operators to deploy the executor to
all agents before upgrading the client. However, I think that's a one time
operational cost as a opposed to long lived design choices that will affect
the code.

Further Solution 3 is the most amenable to custom executors and continues
our tradition of treating executors as opaque black boxes. I think there is
a lot of value in treating executors as black boxes as it leaves the door
open to switching our executor to something else and doesn't impose a
burden to others that want to write their own.

Alternatively, if amending the schema is too much work, I would be open to
just saying that scheduler version 0.16 (or 0.17) just assumes the executor
transitions to RUNNING once a task is healthy and dropping `watch_secs`
entirely. We can put it in the release notes that operators must deploy the
executor to 100% before deploying the scheduler.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 6:40 PM, 黄 凯 <> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> I'm currently working on a feature on aurora scheduler and executor. The
> implementation strategy became controversial on the review board, so I was
> wondering if I should broadcast it to more audience and initiate a
> discussion. Please feel free to let me know your thoughts, your help is
> greatly appreciated!
> The high level goal of this feature is to improve reliability and
> performance of the Aurora scheduler job updater, by relying on health check
> status rather than watch_secs timeout when deciding an individual instance
> update state.
> Please see the original review request *
> <> *
> aurora JIRA ticket *
> <>*
> design doc *
> <>*
> for more details and background.
> Note: The design doc becomes a little bit outdated on the "scheduler
> change summary" part (this is what the review request trying to address).
> As a result, I've left some comment to clarify the latest proposed
> implementation plan for scheduler change.
> There are two questions I'm trying to address here:
> *1. How does the scheduler infer the executor version and be backward
> compatible?*
> *2. Where do we determine if health check is enabled?*
> In short, there are 3 different solutions proposed on the review board.
> In the first two approaches, the scheduler will rely on a string to
> determine the executor version. We determine whether health check is
> enabled merely on executor side. There will be communication between the
> executor and the scheduler.
> *Solution 1: *
> *vCurrent executor sends a message in its health check thread during
> RUNNING state transition, and the vCurrent updater will infer the executor
> version from the presence of this message, and skip the watch_secs if
> necessary.*
> *Solution 2:*
> *Instead of relying on the presence of an arbitrary string in the message,
> rely on the presence of a string like:
> "capabilities:CAPABILITY_1,CAPABILITY-2" where CAPABILITY_1 and
> CAPABILITY_2 (etc.) are constants defined in api.thrift. Basically just
> formalizing the mechanism and making it a bit more future proof.*
> In the third solution, the scheduler infers the executor version from the
> JobUpdateSettings on scheduler side.
> *Solution 3:*
> *Adding a bit to JobUpdateSettings which is ‘executorDrivenUpdates', if
> that is set, the scheduler assumes that the transition from STARTING ->
> RUNNING makes the executor healthy and concurrently, we release thermos and
> change HealthCheckConfig to say that it should only go to running after
> healthy*.
> *Pros and Cons:*
> The main benefit of Solution 1 is:
> 1. By using the message in task status update, we don't have to make any
> schema change, which makes the design simple.
> 2. The feature is fully backward-compatible. When we roll out the vCurrent
> schedulers and executors, we do not have to instruct the users to provide
> additional field in the Job or Update configs, which could confuses
> customers when the vPrev and vCurrent executor coexist in the cluster.
> Concerns:
> Relying on the presence of a message makes things brittle. Also we do not
> want to expose this message to users.
> The benefit of Solution 2 is making the feature more future proof.
> However, if we do not envision a new executor feature in the short term,
> it's not too much different from Solution 1.
> The benefits of Solution 3 include:
> 1. We support more than just thermos now (and others rely on custom
> executors).
> 2. A lot of things in Aurora treat the executor as opaque. The status
> update message sent by executor should not be visible to users only if it's
> an error message.
> Concerns:
> 1. In addition to the ‘executorDrivenUpdates' bit that identifies the
> executor version, we still need to notify the scheduler if health check is
> enabled on vCurrent executor, if not, the scheduler must be able to fall
> back to use watch_secs.
> 2. The users have to provide an additional field in their .aurora config
> files. The feature wouldn't be available unless new clients are rolled out
> as well.
> Please let me know if I understand your suggestions correctly and
> hopefully everyone is on the same page!
> Thanks,
> Kai

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