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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Remove old projects (more than 4 year in ATTIC)
Date Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:26:30 GMT
On 15 February 2018 at 20:16, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 20:43, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 15 February 2018 at 18:31, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 19:24, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 15 February 2018 at 13:11, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 at 12:05, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Just in case it is not obvious, I am -1 to the removal of the
>> >> >> .htaccess files under old retired TLPs UNLESS another way is found
to
>> >> >> continue to redirect users.
>> >> >
>> >> > To me it was not obvious before I saw your comment on the ticket.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Also, I feel a fundamental change such as this should be discussed
in
>> >> >> a separate thread, rather than buried deep in an another thread
about
>> >> >> project ACE.
>> >> >
>> >> > That is a very valid point, and nothing is stopping you from opening
a
>> >> > separate thread.
>> >>
>> >> Ideally the person wishing to change the status quo should do this.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Let me try to sum up.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Henk prefers to remove the directories and the .htaccess files
>> >> > Sebb is against removal (unless it is kept in another form)
>> >> > I have no strong opinion, but have given my +1 in favour of Henk.
>> >> >4
>> >> > I would of course prefer a solution where we have consensus, and thus
>> >> urge
>> >> > Henk/Sebb to try and find that.
>> >> >
>> >> > Any other opinions or comments ? If not majority “wins” and the
ticket
>> >> will
>> >> > be reopened sometime next week.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry, but I don't think the vote is valid in its present form.
>> >
>> >
>> > Who speak about vote ? I did not call a vote, voting is not demanded for
>> > technical matters, only when electing new committers/PMC and changing
>> chair
>> > (even in these cases consensus is generally accepted).
>> >
>> > Technical matters are decided by discussion and preferable consensus.
>> >
>> > iin case you feel a vote is demanded, please pass a pointer to the
>> relevant
>> > bylaw.
>>
>> I regard the proposal as akin to a code change, as it affects the
>> behaviour of various systems
>> As such, it is subject to veto:
>>
>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#votes-on-code-modification
>
>
> so in your mind all changes in ATTIC needs a vote, not a very open
> suggestion.
> (because everything we do affect somebody).

That's not what I said.

>
>> > rgds
>> > jan I
>> >
>> > ps. you jumped over the more relevant part, where I urge you and Henk to
>> > achieve consensus.
>>
>> Fine, but this needs to be done in a separate thread.
>
> Well If you want that then start that thread....you cannot expect others to
> do that just because you want it, consensus seeking is a two way street.

The person seeking to make a change is the person who is responsible
for starting the thread.
I could start the thread, but I will frame it differently.

> As I said earlier I have no strong opinions here, but I do expect all
> participants of this list to try and avoid conflicts and instead seek
> consensus....so again, you are the one with a different opinion, so please
> help find consensus instead of telling what (others) need to do.

Yet it's OK for you to tell me that I need to start the thread?

> rgds
> jan I
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > have a nice weekend.
>> >> > rgds
>> >> > jan i
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 14 February 2018 at 14:52, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > On 14 February 2018 at 12:55, Henk P. Penning <penning@uu.nl>
>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, jan iversen wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:56 +0100
>> >> >> >>> From: jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>> To: general@attic.apache.org
>> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: project ACE.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 at 10:16, Henk P. Penning <penning@uu.nl>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>    If there are no objections, I'll ask infra
to
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>      svn rm https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/XXX
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>    for XXX = hivemind shale beehive ibatis excalibur
harmony
>> >> >> >>>>              jakarta xml esme stdcxx xmlbeans
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> +1
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>   Thanks.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> Solely out of curiosity, do you know approx. how much
space it
>> will
>> >> >> free ?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>   Absolutely nothing :-) These projs only have
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>     /dist/XXX/.htaccess
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If this is removed, I think it should be rep
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=emoved,+I+think+it+should+be+rep&entry=gmail&source=g>laced
>> with a redirect to
>> >> >> > the archives.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>   I just want to unclutter /dist/ ; and consequently,
for
>> instance :
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>     https://checker.apache.org/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Surely you can check for .htaccess and ignore the folder
>> accordingly?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>> Jan i
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>   Thanks ; regards,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>   HPP
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------
  _
>> >> >> >> Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta                 R Uithof MG-403
   _/ \_
>> >> >> >> Faculty of Science, Utrecht University    T +31 30 253
4106 / \_/
>> \
>> >> >> >> Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL          F +31 30 253
4553 \_/
>> \_/
>> >> >> >> http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penning@uu.nl
    \_/
>> >> >>
>> >> > --
>> >> > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
>> >>
>> > --
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>>
> --
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