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From "Till Westmann" <ti...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Date Tue, 22 Mar 2016 00:17:30 GMT


On 21 Mar 2016, at 14:26, Ate Douma wrote:

> On 2016-03-18 22:17, Till Westmann wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> 1) I’m confident that everybody would very much appreciate if you
>> and Henry and Ted and Ate and Jochen stayed on board and on the PMC!
>
> I'm willing to join the PMC, at least for a while, to help with 
> process related work, like release validation or if needed dealing 
> with the board.
> But I don't intend to participate much on technical or community 
> level, if that's OK.

Absolutely. Thanks!

>> 2) The reason for the question is (at least in my mind, not sure
>> if everybody else reads it the same way) that we currently have 25
>> Committers/PPMC members, which seems to be a relatively big number.
>> Most of them came in as they contributed actively before we joined
>> the incubator. And we clearly wanted everybody who had contributed
>> to the project to be able to continue to do so and to go through
>> incubation with the project.
>> But a few haven’t interacted with the project during the incubation
>> period at all (life happened :) ). There is no intent to penalize
>> anybody (and I would expect everybody to keep their merit and their
>> commit bit). But does it make sense to add everybody to the PMC
>> and make them responsible for the governance of the project - even
>> if their life has moved on? Or is graduation a point in time at
>> which everybody should re-evaluate their level of participation?
>> It’s not really an important decision, as non-participating PMC
>> members probably don’t cause any damage, but listing people in the
>> board resolution that might never participate again also didn’t
>> seem right.
>> Does this make sense? Do other projects have a similar situation
>> at graduation? If so, what has worked for them?
>
> From a merit POV I'd say everyone on the current PPMC who actively 
> contributed to AsterixDB, before or after the move to the ASF, can and 
> may join the new PMC.
> But for some who no longer are actively involved and don't expect to 
> become involved again it might also be OK to not join the new PMC.
> Why not ask every PPMC member to state their wish?

+1

> p.s. +1 for Till as VP and PMC Chair

Thanks!

Till


>> On 18 Mar 2016, at 9:56, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
>>
>>> The team needs to keep in mind:
>>>
>>> 1. Many of your most active members are not ASF members and
>>> thus representation amongst the foundation will be limited.
>>> 2. You will want to have ASF members, moreover the board considers
>>> this as a PMC composition when it reviews the resolution to create
>>> the project at the board meeting.
>>>
>>> It’s your community’s choice as an FYI, but keep the following 
>>> in
>>> mind:
>>>
>>> 1. Merit doesn’t expire. Whether someone ever contributed, or
>>> are actively contributing, or not. Life happens, and you don’t
>>> want to penalize people when that’s the case.
>>> 2. You should consider having at least 3 ASF members go on with
>>> the project regardless (so that your project can be presented in
>>> future Members meeting electing new members etc etc.)
>>>
>>> I’m fine to retire from the PPMC and be omit from the PMC no 
>>> problem
>>> on my end. I’ll see your great project around the Foundation 
>>> should it
>>> be approved as a TLP and I’m proud of how far you’ve come!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> Chief Architect
>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
>>> Reply-To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
>>> <dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
>>> Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:51 AM
>>> To: "dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org"
>>> <dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
>>>
>>>> Thank you for the nomination and the support!
>>>>
>>>> I’ll draft a resolution. However, before getting to a resolution, 
>>>> it
>>>> would be really great to get some more thoughts/input on the 
>>>> composition
>>>> of the PMC.
>>>> Clearly there have been varying levels of activity and the question 
>>>> is
>>>> if we should aim for a
>>>> a) bigger PMC with a large number of inactive members or
>>>> b) a smaller PMC of more active members.
>>>> If we opt for b), I think that Yingyi’s proposal is a sensible 
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Till
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 22:24, Chen Li wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I also second this nomination.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chen
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com>

>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I second that nomination!  He'd be great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/16/16 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair,
since 
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> already been performing some of the chair duties as described
in
>>>>>>> [1].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TLP resolution:
>>>>>>>>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed
to 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being

>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> PMC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template

>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Yingyi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbox/
>>>>>>> %3CCACO5Y4xVziOzxB-bQCqO+tSgTJuGv+xBeYd-Lxu1LhiSyLo+_Q@mail.gmail.com%3
>>>>>>> E
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi 
>>>>>>> <sanjos100@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer
>>>>>>>> outside the
>>>>>>>> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb 
>>>>>>>> code-base.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start

>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>> thread.
>>>>>>>> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency
in
>>>>>>>> participating
>>>>>>>> in asterixdb development.    What design patterns should
one 
>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> mind,
>>>>>>>> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can
one
>>>>>>>> take on
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> learn about various parts of the system, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Sandeep
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+

>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if
that's 
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably
in the
>>>>>>>>> 2-5-ish
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> range.  :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Sandeep,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am curious to know how many committers are from
outside the
>>>>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the
past on 
>>>>>>>>>>> Asterixdb
>>>>>>>>>>> at UC
>>>>>>>>>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the current number committers without
academic 
>>>>>>>>>>> UC
>>>>>>>>>> heritage
>>>>>>>>>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know
the CVs of 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> committers).
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a
university
>>>>>>>>>> project 12
>>>>>>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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