Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-asterixdb-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-asterixdb-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B75018075 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 95610 invoked by uid 500); 12 May 2015 05:06:59 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-asterixdb-dev-archive@asterixdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 95553 invoked by uid 500); 12 May 2015 05:06:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 95542 invoked by uid 99); 12 May 2015 05:06:59 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:06:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id F2677C41F1 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:06:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.97 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.97 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=3, KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY=1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-us-west.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oQVTEo2KMtGq for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-us-west.apache.org) with SMTP id 8BC0E24E3A for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 95433 invoked by uid 99); 12 May 2015 05:06:57 -0000 Received: from mail-relay.apache.org (HELO mail-relay.apache.org) (140.211.11.15) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:06:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.81] (c-50-174-102-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [50.174.102.44]) by mail-relay.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mail-relay.apache.org) with ESMTPSA id E99B91A046D; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_294E0F8B-35F0-45A6-B5B0-907A78298B78" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Subject: Re: users and dev lists From: Till Westmann In-Reply-To: <95688CD4-B77B-4B24-81F0-7CE4858E73C3@apache.org> Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 22:07:07 -0700 Message-Id: <39041566-7E56-4ADB-8851-2E514BAA3AC0@apache.org> References: <96BE372A-403C-4C06-983B-772EE08EB878@apache.org> <55349A79.7000307@gmail.com> <553A5CA4.7080903@gmail.com> <7ADBC56C-8502-493D-81AB-4769017B3F60@apache.org> <34A19E74-87C3-4F49-B51D-3E451CB630E2@apache.org> <578C0AFF-508C-4D95-8843-F916FFE18870@apache.org> <554696BF.1030501@gmail.com> <55471491.9000206@gmail.com> <05CF3A54-E30D-4A64-8314-DC0301491025@apache.org> <95688CD4-B77B-4B24-81F0-7CE4858E73C3@apache.org> To: dev@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) --Apple-Mail=_294E0F8B-35F0-45A6-B5B0-907A78298B78 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve also added this list to our incubation status page [1]. @Ian, could you add the new list to the readme when you update it again? Cheers, Till [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html = > On May 11, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Till Westmann > wrote: >=20 > users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org = is available now. > Please subscribe to it, so that we can close the old list down. >=20 > Cheers, > Till >=20 >> On May 9, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Till Westmann > wrote: >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99ve requested a users mailing list using the request form at = [1]. >> The listed moderators are our mentors and 2 volunteers (Mike and I). >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Till >>=20 >> [1] https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator = >>=20 >>> On May 3, 2015, at 11:41 PM, Mike Carey > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Cool! >>>=20 >>> On 5/3/15 5:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: >>>> the way that moderation works at Apache is that moderators see = candidate >>>> messages in email with links to accept or reject. Reply with no >>>> modifications works to accept the message. Reply-all accepts the = message >>>> and whitelists the sender. >>>>=20 >>>> If no moderator takes action for several days, the message is = deleted. >>>>=20 >>>> Super simple and fast. The only obscure part is the the reply-all = trick. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Mike Carey > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> I could do it as well. (Does it just entail saying "this note may = indeed >>>>> pass" to a queue of msgs - a queue we'd all be trying to watch?) >>>>>=20 >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Mike >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 5/3/15 1:11 PM, Till Westmann wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> I agree with your feeling. If we decide to do it that way, I=E2=80=99= m >>>>>> volunteering to be another moderator. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Are there other volunteers? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Ted Dunning > wrote: >>>>>>> My feeling is it doesn't hurt to have more moderators rather = than fewer. >>>>>>> Judicious white-listing allows the amount of moderation traffic = to be >>>>>>> driven to very low levels so the load on the moderators is very, = very >>>>>>> low. >>>>>>> The cost of losing a moderator without quite knowing it it = higher, I >>>>>>> think, >>>>>>> than the load on a number of moderators. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Till Westmann > wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Well, the JIRA was not the right way to request this. >>>>>>>> But before we do it the right way, we need a few moderators for = the >>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>> I assume that the mentors are the moderators for the other = lists. >>>>>>>> Is that the way it should be or should other PPMC members = moderate as >>>>>>>> well? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 18:30, Till Westmann > wrote: >>>>>>>>> Here=E2=80=99s the JIRA: = https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580 = >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Till Westmann > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Ok, since nobody objected, I=E2=80=99ll ask for the users = list. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Till Westmann > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Since this is just a procedural decision that has no impact = outside >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> the AsterixDB podling, I think that the PPMC members (mentors = + >>>>>>>> initial >>>>>>>> committer) are those who get to decide. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> And as this is probably not a highly contested issue, we could = take >>>>>>>>>> this decision by lazy consensus [1], i.e. your proposal is = accepted, >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> nobody objects within 72 hours. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html = >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 08:09, Mike Carey > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Given the discussions, I'd like to propose now that we = close in on a >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> "two lists - dev and user" - answer to this one. I realize = there are >>>>>>>> tradeoffs, but because we do have some users already who are = decidedly >>>>>>>> non-developer types - and more coming - I'd like to have a list = "for >>>>>>>> them" >>>>>>>> that encourages them to be on it (by its topics and volume). = Is there a >>>>>>>> way we can/should bring this to a vote/decision by those that = get to >>>>>>>> decide? (This will be our first case-study in a = post-joining-incubation >>>>>>>> decision. :-)) >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/15 5:46 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Till Westmann = > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I=E2=80=99m not completely sure that I want one. We currently = have one and >>>>>>>>>>>>> it has some reasonable traffic and the discussions are at = a >>>>>>>> user-level. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Also all developers are subscribed to the user-list, so = developers >>>>>>>>>>>>> are aware of user problems but not necessarily the other = way >>>>>>>> around. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> I think that works pretty well, but maybe a single list would = work >>>>>>>>>>>>> better. >>>>>>>>> Thoughts from the other AsterixDB developers? >>>>>>>>>>>>> What about automatically generated notifications, like = Jira issues, >>>>>>>>>>>>> commit messages, etc.? >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't recommend to push those to a user list? >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jochen >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_294E0F8B-35F0-45A6-B5B0-907A78298B78--