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From Ian Maxon <ima...@uci.edu>
Subject Re: users and dev lists
Date Tue, 12 May 2015 17:44:05 GMT
If I'm not already a moderator I'd be happy to volunteer...

- Ian

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org> wrote:

> We currently have 7 moderators, so I think that we can just take you out
> (I guess that requires and infra-request, is that right?).
>
> On the other hand I would be more than happy if we found another volunteer
> moderator!
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> > On May 11, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Jochen Wiedmann <jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'd welcome to have another volunteer to replace me as a moderator.
> > (As this would be my 9th or 10th list to moderate.) As Till wrote,
> > list moderation isn't much of a burden. OTOH, it accumulates...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jochen
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org> wrote:
> >> Just found a link to the self-subscribe app [1] for committers on the
> mailing lists page [2].
> >> The mailing lists for podlings are at the end of the (long!) dropdown.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Till
> >>
> >> [1] https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe <
> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe>
> >> [2] http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html <
> http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html>
> >>
> >>> On May 11, 2015, at 10:07 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I’ve also added this list to our incubation status page [1].
> >>>
> >>> @Ian, could you add the new list to the readme when you update it
> again?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Till
> >>>
> >>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html <
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html>
> >>>
> >>>> On May 11, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org <mailto:
> tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org <mailto:
> users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org> is available now.
> >>>> Please subscribe to it, so that we can close the old list down.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Till
> >>>>
> >>>>> On May 9, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org <mailto:
> tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I’ve requested a users mailing list using the request form at
[1].
> >>>>> The listed moderators are our mentors and 2 volunteers (Mike and
I).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Till
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator <
> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 11:41 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com
<mailto:
> dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cool!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/3/15 5:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
> >>>>>>> the way that moderation works at Apache is that moderators
see
> candidate
> >>>>>>> messages in email with links to accept or reject.  Reply
with no
> >>>>>>> modifications works to accept the message.  Reply-all accepts
the
> message
> >>>>>>> and whitelists the sender.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If no moderator takes action for several days, the message
is
> deleted.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Super simple and fast.  The only obscure part is the the
reply-all
> trick.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com
> <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I could do it as well.  (Does it just entail saying
"this note
> may indeed
> >>>>>>>> pass" to a queue of msgs - a queue we'd all be trying
to watch?)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 5/3/15 1:11 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I agree with your feeling. If we decide to do it
that way, I’m
> >>>>>>>>> volunteering to be another moderator.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Are there other volunteers?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com
> <mailto:ted.dunning@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> My feeling is it doesn't hurt to have more moderators
rather
> than fewer.
> >>>>>>>>>> Judicious white-listing allows the amount of
moderation traffic
> to be
> >>>>>>>>>> driven to very low levels so the load on the
moderators is
> very, very
> >>>>>>>>>> low.
> >>>>>>>>>> The cost of losing a moderator without quite
knowing it it
> higher, I
> >>>>>>>>>> think,
> >>>>>>>>>> than the load on a number of moderators.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Till Westmann
<tillw@apache.org
> <mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Well, the JIRA was not the right way to request
this.
> >>>>>>>>>>> But before we do it the right way, we need
a few moderators
> for the
> >>>>>>>>>>> list.
> >>>>>>>>>>> I assume that the mentors are the moderators
for the other
> lists.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Is that the way it should be or should other
PPMC members
> moderate as
> >>>>>>>>>>> well?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Till
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 18:30, Till Westmann
<tillw@apache.org
> <mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here’s the JIRA:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580 <
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Till
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Till Westmann
<tillw@apache.org
> <mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, since nobody objected, I’ll
ask for the users list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Till
Westmann <
> tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this is just a procedural
decision that has no impact
> outside
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the AsterixDB podling, I think that
the PPMC members
> (mentors +
> >>>>>>>>>>> initial
> >>>>>>>>>>> committer) are those who get to decide.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And as this is probably not a highly
contested issue, we
> could take
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this decision by lazy consensus
[1], i.e. your proposal is
> accepted,
> >>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>> nobody objects within 72 hours.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
<
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 08:09, Mike
Carey <dtabass@gmail.com
> <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the discussions, I'd
like to propose now that we
> close in on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "two lists - dev and user" -
answer to this one. I realize
> there are
> >>>>>>>>>>> tradeoffs, but because we do have some users
already who are
> decidedly
> >>>>>>>>>>> non-developer types - and more coming -
I'd like to have a
> list "for
> >>>>>>>>>>> them"
> >>>>>>>>>>> that encourages them to be on it (by its
topics and volume).
> Is there a
> >>>>>>>>>>> way we can/should bring this to a vote/decision
by those that
> get to
> >>>>>>>>>>> decide?  (This will be our first case-study
in a
> post-joining-incubation
> >>>>>>>>>>> decision. :-))
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/15 5:46 AM, Jochen
Wiedmann wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22,
2015 at 9:49 AM, Till Westmann <
> tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I’m not completely sure that I want
one. We currently have
> one and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has some reasonable
traffic and the discussions are at
> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> user-level.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Also all developers are subscribed to
the user-list, so
> developers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are aware of user problems
but not necessarily the other
> way
> >>>>>>>>>>> around.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think that works pretty well, but
maybe a single list would
> work
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts from the other AsterixDB developers?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about automatically
generated notifications, like
> Jira issues,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit messages, etc.?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't recommend
to push those to a user list?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jochen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Any world that can produce the Taj Mahal, William Shakespeare,
> > and Stripe toothpaste can't be all bad. (C.R. MacNamara, One Two Three)
>
>

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