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From Jochen Wiedmann <jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: users and dev lists
Date Tue, 12 May 2015 06:05:07 GMT
I'd welcome to have another volunteer to replace me as a moderator.
(As this would be my 9th or 10th list to moderate.) As Till wrote,
list moderation isn't much of a burden. OTOH, it accumulates...

Thanks,

Jochen


On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org> wrote:
> Just found a link to the self-subscribe app [1] for committers on the mailing lists page
[2].
> The mailing lists for podlings are at the end of the (long!) dropdown.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> [1] https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe <https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe>
> [2] http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html <http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html>
>
>> On May 11, 2015, at 10:07 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I’ve also added this list to our incubation status page [1].
>>
>> @Ian, could you add the new list to the readme when you update it again?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Till
>>
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html>
>>
>>> On May 11, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
wrote:
>>>
>>> users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org <mailto:users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
is available now.
>>> Please subscribe to it, so that we can close the old list down.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Till
>>>
>>>> On May 9, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I’ve requested a users mailing list using the request form at [1].
>>>> The listed moderators are our mentors and 2 volunteers (Mike and I).
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Till
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator <https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 11:41 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Cool!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/3/15 5:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
>>>>>> the way that moderation works at Apache is that moderators see candidate
>>>>>> messages in email with links to accept or reject.  Reply with no
>>>>>> modifications works to accept the message.  Reply-all accepts the
message
>>>>>> and whitelists the sender.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If no moderator takes action for several days, the message is deleted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Super simple and fast.  The only obscure part is the the reply-all
trick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com
<mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could do it as well.  (Does it just entail saying "this note
may indeed
>>>>>>> pass" to a queue of msgs - a queue we'd all be trying to watch?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/3/15 1:11 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree with your feeling. If we decide to do it that way,
I’m
>>>>>>>> volunteering to be another moderator.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are there other volunteers?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com
<mailto:ted.dunning@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> My feeling is it doesn't hurt to have more moderators
rather than fewer.
>>>>>>>>> Judicious white-listing allows the amount of moderation
traffic to be
>>>>>>>>> driven to very low levels so the load on the moderators
is very, very
>>>>>>>>> low.
>>>>>>>>> The cost of losing a moderator without quite knowing
it it higher, I
>>>>>>>>> think,
>>>>>>>>> than the load on a number of moderators.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
<mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, the JIRA was not the right way to request this.
>>>>>>>>>> But before we do it the right way, we need a few
moderators for the
>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>> I assume that the mentors are the moderators for
the other lists.
>>>>>>>>>> Is that the way it should be or should other PPMC
members moderate as
>>>>>>>>>> well?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 18:30, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
<mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Here’s the JIRA: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580
<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
<mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, since nobody objected, I’ll ask for
the users list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Till Westmann
<tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this is just a procedural decision
that has no impact outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the AsterixDB podling, I think that the PPMC
members (mentors +
>>>>>>>>>> initial
>>>>>>>>>> committer) are those who get to decide.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And as this is probably not a highly contested
issue, we could take
>>>>>>>>>>>> this decision by lazy consensus [1], i.e.
your proposal is accepted,
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> nobody objects within 72 hours.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
<https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 08:09, Mike Carey
<dtabass@gmail.com <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the discussions, I'd like to
propose now that we close in on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "two lists - dev and user" - answer to
this one. I realize there are
>>>>>>>>>> tradeoffs, but because we do have some users already
who are decidedly
>>>>>>>>>> non-developer types - and more coming - I'd like
to have a list "for
>>>>>>>>>> them"
>>>>>>>>>> that encourages them to be on it (by its topics and
volume).  Is there a
>>>>>>>>>> way we can/should bring this to a vote/decision by
those that get to
>>>>>>>>>> decide?  (This will be our first case-study in a
post-joining-incubation
>>>>>>>>>> decision. :-))
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/15 5:46 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:49
AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m not completely sure that I want one. We
currently have one and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has some reasonable traffic
and the discussions are at a
>>>>>>>>>> user-level.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also all developers are subscribed to the user-list,
so developers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are aware of user problems but
not necessarily the other way
>>>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think that works pretty well, but maybe a single
list would work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts from the other AsterixDB developers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about automatically generated
notifications, like Jira issues,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit messages, etc.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't recommend to push
those to a user list?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jochen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>



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