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From Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
Subject Re: users and dev lists
Date Wed, 13 May 2015 00:50:41 GMT
No for the moderation e-mails :)
Which address do you use for the mailing lists?

Thanks,
Till

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Ian Maxon <imaxon@uci.edu> wrote:

> Oh, on the commit logs? Unfortunately in Gerrit it takes the committer from
> the account's email address, I believe...
>
> - Ian
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Do you want to use use the UCI or the Apache e-mail address?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Ian Maxon <imaxon@uci.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > If I'm not already a moderator I'd be happy to volunteer...
> > >
> > > - Ian
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > We currently have 7 moderators, so I think that we can just take you
> > out
> > > > (I guess that requires and infra-request, is that right?).
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand I would be more than happy if we found another
> > > volunteer
> > > > moderator!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Till
> > > >
> > > > > On May 11, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Jochen Wiedmann <
> > > jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd welcome to have another volunteer to replace me as a moderator.
> > > > > (As this would be my 9th or 10th list to moderate.) As Till wrote,
> > > > > list moderation isn't much of a burden. OTOH, it accumulates...
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jochen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> Just found a link to the self-subscribe app [1] for committers
on
> > the
> > > > mailing lists page [2].
> > > > >> The mailing lists for podlings are at the end of the (long!)
> > dropdown.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > >> Till
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [1] https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe <
> > > > https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe>
> > > > >> [2] http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html <
> > > > http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On May 11, 2015, at 10:07 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I’ve also added this list to our incubation status page
[1].
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> @Ian, could you add the new list to the readme when you update
it
> > > > again?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Cheers,
> > > > >>> Till
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html <
> > > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> On May 11, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
> > > <mailto:
> > > > tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org <mailto:
> > > > users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org> is available now.
> > > > >>>> Please subscribe to it, so that we can close the old
list down.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>> Till
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> On May 9, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
> > > <mailto:
> > > > tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I’ve requested a users mailing list using the request
form at
> > [1].
> > > > >>>>> The listed moderators are our mentors and 2 volunteers
(Mike
> and
> > > I).
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>>> Till
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> [1] https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator
<
> > > > https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 11:41 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com
> > > <mailto:
> > > > dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Cool!
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On 5/3/15 5:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> the way that moderation works at Apache is
that moderators
> see
> > > > candidate
> > > > >>>>>>> messages in email with links to accept or
reject.  Reply with
> > no
> > > > >>>>>>> modifications works to accept the message.
 Reply-all accepts
> > the
> > > > message
> > > > >>>>>>> and whitelists the sender.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> If no moderator takes action for several
days, the message is
> > > > deleted.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Super simple and fast.  The only obscure
part is the the
> > > reply-all
> > > > trick.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Mike Carey
<
> dtabass@gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> I could do it as well.  (Does it just
entail saying "this
> note
> > > > may indeed
> > > > >>>>>>>> pass" to a queue of msgs - a queue we'd
all be trying to
> > watch?)
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>>>>>> Mike
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> On 5/3/15 1:11 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I agree with your feeling. If we
decide to do it that way,
> > I’m
> > > > >>>>>>>>> volunteering to be another moderator.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Are there other volunteers?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Ted
Dunning <
> > > ted.dunning@gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:ted.dunning@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> My feeling is it doesn't hurt
to have more moderators
> rather
> > > > than fewer.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Judicious white-listing allows
the amount of moderation
> > > traffic
> > > > to be
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> driven to very low levels so
the load on the moderators is
> > > > very, very
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> low.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> The cost of losing a moderator
without quite knowing it it
> > > > higher, I
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> think,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> than the load on a number of
moderators.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:17 PM,
Till Westmann <
> > > tillw@apache.org
> > > > <mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Well, the JIRA was not the right
way to request this.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> But before we do it the right
way, we need a few
> moderators
> > > > for the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> list.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I assume that the mentors
are the moderators for the
> other
> > > > lists.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Is that the way it should
be or should other PPMC members
> > > > moderate as
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> well?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Till
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 18:30,
Till Westmann <
> tillw@apache.org
> > > > <mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Here’s the JIRA:
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580 <
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Till
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 5:39
PM, Till Westmann <
> > tillw@apache.org
> > > > <mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, since nobody
objected, I’ll ask for the users list.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015,
at 12:16 AM, Till Westmann <
> > > > tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this is
just a procedural decision that has no
> > > impact
> > > > outside
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the AsterixDB podling,
I think that the PPMC members
> > > > (mentors +
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> initial
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> committer) are those who
get to decide.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> And as this is probably
not a highly contested issue, we
> > > > could take
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this decision by
lazy consensus [1], i.e. your proposal
> > is
> > > > accepted,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> if
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> nobody objects within 72
hours.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
<
> > > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2015,
at 08:09, Mike Carey <
> > dtabass@gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the
discussions, I'd like to propose now that
> we
> > > > close in on a
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "two lists -
dev and user" - answer to this one. I
> > realize
> > > > there are
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> tradeoffs, but because we
do have some users already who
> > are
> > > > decidedly
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> non-developer types - and
more coming - I'd like to have
> a
> > > > list "for
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> them"
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> that encourages them to be
on it (by its topics and
> > volume).
> > > > Is there a
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> way we can/should bring this
to a vote/decision by those
> > that
> > > > get to
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> decide?  (This will be our
first case-study in a
> > > > post-joining-incubation
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> decision. :-))
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/15
5:46 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Till Westmann <
> > > > tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I’m not completely
sure that I want one. We currently
> have
> > > > one and
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has
some reasonable traffic and the discussions
> are
> > > at
> > > > a
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> user-level.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Also all developers are
subscribed to the user-list, so
> > > > developers
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are aware
of user problems but not necessarily the
> > other
> > > > way
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> around.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think that works pretty
well, but maybe a single list
> > > would
> > > > work
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts from the other
AsterixDB developers?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What
about automatically generated notifications,
> like
> > > > Jira issues,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit
messages, etc.?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't
recommend to push those to a user list?
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jochen
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Any world that can produce the Taj Mahal, William Shakespeare,
> > > > > and Stripe toothpaste can't be all bad. (C.R. MacNamara, One Two
> > Three)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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