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From Mike Carey <dtab...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: users and dev lists
Date Wed, 13 May 2015 05:31:29 GMT
Bite your tongue!  We can't ever lose Ian....  :-)

On 5/12/15 9:49 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
> Actually, the Apache one is probably better since work addresses can
> disappear.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Ian Maxon <imaxon@uci.edu> wrote:
>
>> Ah I see, sorry! The UCI one is probably best, then.
>>
>> - Ian
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> No for the moderation e-mails :)
>>> Which address do you use for the mailing lists?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Till
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Ian Maxon <imaxon@uci.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, on the commit logs? Unfortunately in Gerrit it takes the committer
>>> from
>>>> the account's email address, I believe...
>>>>
>>>> - Ian
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you want to use use the UCI or the Apache e-mail address?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Ian Maxon <imaxon@uci.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If I'm not already a moderator I'd be happy to volunteer...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> We currently have 7 moderators, so I think that we can just take
>>> you
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> (I guess that requires and infra-request, is that right?).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand I would be more than happy if we found another
>>>>>> volunteer
>>>>>>> moderator!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 11, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Jochen Wiedmann <
>>>>>> jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'd welcome to have another volunteer to replace me as a
>>> moderator.
>>>>>>>> (As this would be my 9th or 10th list to moderate.) As Till
>>> wrote,
>>>>>>>> list moderation isn't much of a burden. OTOH, it accumulates...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jochen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Till Westmann <
>> tillw@apache.org
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Just found a link to the self-subscribe app [1] for committers
>>> on
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> mailing lists page [2].
>>>>>>>>> The mailing lists for podlings are at the end of the
(long!)
>>>>> dropdown.
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1] https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe <
>>>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe>
>>>>>>>>> [2] http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html <
>>>>>>> http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 11, 2015, at 10:07 PM, Till Westmann <
>> tillw@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I’ve also added this list to our incubation status
page [1].
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> @Ian, could you add the new list to the readme when
you
>> update
>>> it
>>>>>>> again?
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html
<
>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 11, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Till Westmann <
>> tillw@apache.org
>>>>>> <mailto:
>>>>>>> tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org <mailto:
>>>>>>> users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org> is available now.
>>>>>>>>>>> Please subscribe to it, so that we can close
the old list
>>> down.
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Till Westmann
<
>> tillw@apache.org
>>>>>> <mailto:
>>>>>>> tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve requested a users mailing list using
the request form
>> at
>>>>> [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>> The listed moderators are our mentors and
2 volunteers
>> (Mike
>>>> and
>>>>>> I).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator
<
>>>>>>> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 11:41 PM, Mike Carey
<
>> dtabass@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:
>>>>>>> dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/3/15 5:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way that moderation works at
Apache is that
>> moderators
>>>> see
>>>>>>> candidate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages in email with links to accept
or reject.  Reply
>>> with
>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modifications works to accept the
message.  Reply-all
>>> accepts
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and whitelists the sender.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If no moderator takes action for
several days, the
>> message
>>> is
>>>>>>> deleted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super simple and fast.  The only
obscure part is the the
>>>>>> reply-all
>>>>>>> trick.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM,
Mike Carey <
>>>> dtabass@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could do it as well.  (Does
it just entail saying
>> "this
>>>> note
>>>>>>> may indeed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass" to a queue of msgs - a
queue we'd all be trying to
>>>>> watch?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/3/15 1:11 PM, Till Westmann
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with your feeling.
If we decide to do it that
>>> way,
>>>>> I’m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering to be another
moderator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are there other volunteers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 10:29
AM, Ted Dunning <
>>>>>> ted.dunning@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:ted.dunning@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My feeling is it doesn't
hurt to have more moderators
>>>> rather
>>>>>>> than fewer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Judicious white-listing
allows the amount of
>> moderation
>>>>>> traffic
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driven to very low levels
so the load on the
>> moderators
>>> is
>>>>>>> very, very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The cost of losing a
moderator without quite knowing
>> it
>>> it
>>>>>>> higher, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the load on a number
of moderators.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at
6:17 PM, Till Westmann <
>>>>>> tillw@apache.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, the JIRA was not
the right way to request this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But before we do
it the right way, we need a few
>>>> moderators
>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume that the
mentors are the moderators for the
>>>> other
>>>>>>> lists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that the way it
should be or should other PPMC
>>> members
>>>>>>> moderate as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at
18:30, Till Westmann <
>>>> tillw@apache.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here’s the
JIRA:
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580 <
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015,
at 5:39 PM, Till Westmann <
>>>>> tillw@apache.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, since
nobody objected, I’ll ask for the users
>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 25,
2015, at 12:16 AM, Till Westmann <
>>>>>>> tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since
this is just a procedural decision that has
>> no
>>>>>> impact
>>>>>>> outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the AsterixDB
podling, I think that the PPMC
>> members
>>>>>>> (mentors +
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer) are those
who get to decide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And as this is
probably not a highly contested
>> issue,
>>> we
>>>>>>> could take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this decision
by lazy consensus [1], i.e. your
>>> proposal
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> accepted,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody objects within
72 hours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>> <
>>>>>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr
24, 2015, at 08:09, Mike Carey <
>>>>> dtabass@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given
the discussions, I'd like to propose now
>> that
>>>> we
>>>>>>> close in on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "two
lists - dev and user" - answer to this one. I
>>>>> realize
>>>>>>> there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tradeoffs, but because
we do have some users already
>>> who
>>>>> are
>>>>>>> decidedly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-developer types
- and more coming - I'd like to
>>> have
>>>> a
>>>>>>> list "for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that encourages them
to be on it (by its topics and
>>>>> volume).
>>>>>>> Is there a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way we can/should
bring this to a vote/decision by
>>> those
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide?  (This will
be our first case-study in a
>>>>>>> post-joining-incubation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision. :-))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
4/24/15 5:46 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Till Westmann
>> <
>>>>>>> tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m not completely
sure that I want one. We
>> currently
>>>> have
>>>>>>> one and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
it has some reasonable traffic and the
>> discussions
>>>> are
>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-level.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also all developers
are subscribed to the user-list,
>>> so
>>>>>>> developers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
are aware of user problems but not necessarily
>> the
>>>>> other
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that
works pretty well, but maybe a single
>>> list
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts from
the other AsterixDB developers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What about automatically generated
>> notifications,
>>>> like
>>>>>>> Jira issues,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
commit messages, etc.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I wouldn't recommend to push those to a user
>> list?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Jochen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Any world that can produce the Taj Mahal, William Shakespeare,
>>>>>>>> and Stripe toothpaste can't be all bad. (C.R. MacNamara,
One
>> Two
>>>>> Three)
>>>>>>>


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