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From Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
Subject Re: users and dev lists
Date Tue, 12 May 2015 05:07:07 GMT
I’ve also added this list to our incubation status page [1].

@Ian, could you add the new list to the readme when you update it again?

Cheers,
Till

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html <http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html>

> On May 11, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
wrote:
> 
> users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org <mailto:users@asterixdb.incubator.apache.org>
is available now.
> Please subscribe to it, so that we can close the old list down.
> 
> Cheers,
> Till
> 
>> On May 9, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve requested a users mailing list using the request form at [1].
>> The listed moderators are our mentors and 2 volunteers (Mike and I).
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Till
>> 
>> [1] https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator <https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator>
>> 
>>> On May 3, 2015, at 11:41 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cool!
>>> 
>>> On 5/3/15 5:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
>>>> the way that moderation works at Apache is that moderators see candidate
>>>> messages in email with links to accept or reject.  Reply with no
>>>> modifications works to accept the message.  Reply-all accepts the message
>>>> and whitelists the sender.
>>>> 
>>>> If no moderator takes action for several days, the message is deleted.
>>>> 
>>>> Super simple and fast.  The only obscure part is the the reply-all trick.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com <mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I could do it as well.  (Does it just entail saying "this note may indeed
>>>>> pass" to a queue of msgs - a queue we'd all be trying to watch?)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/3/15 1:11 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree with your feeling. If we decide to do it that way, I’m
>>>>>> volunteering to be another moderator.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are there other volunteers?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com
<mailto:ted.dunning@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> My feeling is it doesn't hurt to have more moderators rather
than fewer.
>>>>>>> Judicious white-listing allows the amount of moderation traffic
to be
>>>>>>> driven to very low levels so the load on the moderators is very,
very
>>>>>>> low.
>>>>>>> The cost of losing a moderator without quite knowing it it higher,
I
>>>>>>> think,
>>>>>>> than the load on a number of moderators.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
<mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, the JIRA was not the right way to request this.
>>>>>>>> But before we do it the right way, we need a few moderators
for the
>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>> I assume that the mentors are the moderators for the other
lists.
>>>>>>>> Is that the way it should be or should other PPMC members
moderate as
>>>>>>>> well?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 18:30, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
<mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Here’s the JIRA: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580
<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
<mailto:tillw@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ok, since nobody objected, I’ll ask for the users
list.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org
<mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Since this is just a procedural decision that
has no impact outside
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> the AsterixDB podling, I think that the PPMC members
(mentors +
>>>>>>>> initial
>>>>>>>> committer) are those who get to decide.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And as this is probably not a highly contested issue,
we could take
>>>>>>>>>> this decision by lazy consensus [1], i.e. your proposal
is accepted,
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> nobody objects within 72 hours.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
<https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 08:09, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com
<mailto:dtabass@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the discussions, I'd like to propose
now that we close in on a
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> "two lists - dev and user" - answer to this one.
I realize there are
>>>>>>>> tradeoffs, but because we do have some users already who
are decidedly
>>>>>>>> non-developer types - and more coming - I'd like to have
a list "for
>>>>>>>> them"
>>>>>>>> that encourages them to be on it (by its topics and volume).
 Is there a
>>>>>>>> way we can/should bring this to a vote/decision by those
that get to
>>>>>>>> decide?  (This will be our first case-study in a post-joining-incubation
>>>>>>>> decision. :-))
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/15 5:46 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:49 AM,
Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org <mailto:tillw@apache.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I’m not completely sure that I want one. We currently
have one and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has some reasonable traffic and the
discussions are at a
>>>>>>>> user-level.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Also all developers are subscribed to the user-list,
so developers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are aware of user problems but not necessarily
the other way
>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think that works pretty well, but maybe a single list
would work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>> Thoughts from the other AsterixDB developers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about automatically generated notifications,
like Jira issues,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit messages, etc.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't recommend to push those to
a user list?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jochen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 


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