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From Till Westmann <ti...@apache.org>
Subject Re: users and dev lists
Date Sat, 09 May 2015 16:14:28 GMT
I’ve requested a users mailing list using the request form at [1].
The listed moderators are our mentors and 2 volunteers (Mike and I).

Cheers,
Till

[1] https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator

> On May 3, 2015, at 11:41 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Cool!
> 
> On 5/3/15 5:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
>> the way that moderation works at Apache is that moderators see candidate
>> messages in email with links to accept or reject.  Reply with no
>> modifications works to accept the message.  Reply-all accepts the message
>> and whitelists the sender.
>> 
>> If no moderator takes action for several days, the message is deleted.
>> 
>> Super simple and fast.  The only obscure part is the the reply-all trick.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I could do it as well.  (Does it just entail saying "this note may indeed
>>> pass" to a queue of msgs - a queue we'd all be trying to watch?)
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> On 5/3/15 1:11 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I agree with your feeling. If we decide to do it that way, I’m
>>>> volunteering to be another moderator.
>>>> 
>>>> Are there other volunteers?
>>>> 
>>>>  On May 3, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> My feeling is it doesn't hurt to have more moderators rather than fewer.
>>>>> Judicious white-listing allows the amount of moderation traffic to be
>>>>> driven to very low levels so the load on the moderators is very, very
>>>>> low.
>>>>> The cost of losing a moderator without quite knowing it it higher, I
>>>>> think,
>>>>> than the load on a number of moderators.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Well, the JIRA was not the right way to request this.
>>>>>> But before we do it the right way, we need a few moderators for the
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>> I assume that the mentors are the moderators for the other lists.
>>>>>> Is that the way it should be or should other PPMC members moderate
as
>>>>>> well?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Till
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  On May 2, 2015, at 18:30, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>> Here’s the JIRA: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  On May 2, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ok, since nobody objected, I’ll ask for the users list.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  On Apr 25, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Till Westmann <tillw@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Since this is just a procedural decision that has no
impact outside
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> the AsterixDB podling, I think that the PPMC members (mentors
+
>>>>>> initial
>>>>>> committer) are those who get to decide.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And as this is probably not a highly contested issue, we could
take
>>>>>>>> this decision by lazy consensus [1], i.e. your proposal is
accepted,
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> nobody objects within 72 hours.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  On Apr 24, 2015, at 08:09, Mike Carey <dtabass@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Given the discussions, I'd like to propose now that
we close in on a
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> "two lists - dev and user" - answer to this one. I realize
there are
>>>>>> tradeoffs, but because we do have some users already who are decidedly
>>>>>> non-developer types - and more coming - I'd like to have a list "for
>>>>>> them"
>>>>>> that encourages them to be on it (by its topics and volume).  Is
there a
>>>>>> way we can/should bring this to a vote/decision by those that get
to
>>>>>> decide?  (This will be our first case-study in a post-joining-incubation
>>>>>> decision. :-))
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  On 4/24/15 5:46 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Till Westmann
<tillw@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I’m not completely sure that I want one. We currently have
one and
>>>>>>>>>>> it has some reasonable traffic and the discussions
are at a
>>>>>> user-level.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also all developers are subscribed to the user-list, so developers
>>>>>>>>>>> are aware of user problems but not necessarily
the other way
>>>>>> around.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think that works pretty well, but maybe a single list would
work
>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>> Thoughts from the other AsterixDB developers?
>>>>>>>>>>> What about automatically generated notifications,
like Jira issues,
>>>>>>>>>>> commit messages, etc.?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't recommend to push those to a user
list?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jochen
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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