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From Alasdair Nottingham <>
Subject Re: Aries Blueprint spec compliance
Date Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:02:47 GMT
I'm not sure this fully addresses Jeremy's question though. I think he  
is asking if people who have access to the CT via their employer need  
to have the additional NDA filed to discuss CT related issues. Since  
they can validly obtain the CT directly from the alliance.


On 1 Mar 2010, at 18:18, Lin Sun <> wrote:

> I agree, that sounds reasonable.  We can then start discussing on the
> list how we want to run the osgi CT with our aries jar and hopefully
> people can execute one command to get all test results.
> P.S. I think it is called Compliance Test (CT) instead of TCK.
> Lin
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Guillaume Nodet <>  
> wrote:
>> What about following the route other projects have already used ?  
>> i.e.
>> create a private mailing list opened to all aries committers with a
>> filed NDA and discuss any TCK related issues there ?  A restricited
>> svn area could be set up as well to hold TCK material or custom
>> configs, scripts, etc...
>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:47, Jeremy Hughes <>  
>> wrote:
>>> I know there are many people on this list whose employer is a member
>>> of the OSGi Alliance and hence they have access to OSGi member
>>> materials. Myself included. There are others that aren't so this is
>>> great step forward. I have some questions though:
>>> Do the results of running OSGi Compliance Tests count as  
>>> confidential
>>> or non-confidential? For example, stack traces and other diagnostic
>>> information produced as the output to failing tests. Consider  
>>> someone
>>> who signs this NDA and configures a test machine with the  
>>> appropriate
>>> access controls to run the OSGi CTs for each hudson build. Can the
>>> results be made publicly available? Can even a public yes/no be made
>>> as to whether the CTs pass? This phrase in the NDA is the closest I
>>> could find to this:
>>> "My subsequent use of the general knowledge, skills and experience
>>> that I gain as a result of working with the information will not
>>> constitute a breach of these obligations."
>>> but IANAL and this may just be about not limiting the individual's
>>> subsequent pursuits.
>>> Also, where does this leave people who already have access to the
>>> confidential material through another route (employer for  
>>> example). I
>>> wouldn't have thought they need to sign this NDA as they are not
>>> receiving this information from the OSGi Alliance via the ASF. Then,
>>> it is down to that person's individual or employer relationship with
>>> the OSGi Alliance as to whether they are permitted to run tests
>>> against Apache Aries and subsequently publish results. I hope  
>>> there is
>>> a mechanism (SVN revision number for example) of identifying the  
>>> level
>>> of the CTs that are run.
>>> At this point, it seems this is a discussion better had on a legal
>>> list ... legal@ or jcp@
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeremy
>>> On 26 February 2010 19:58, Kevan Miller <>  
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Alasdair Nottingham wrote:
>>>>> Kevan,
>>>>> Have you made any progress on what can be done here?
>>>> This process may change, but for now you can submit the Apache  
>>>> NDA --
>>>> Fax to US +1-919-573-9199 or email a pdf scanned version to  
>>>> secretary@
>>>> Then send an email to jcp@ Something like:
>>>>  Subject: OSGI CT access
>>>>  I'm a committer on the Apache Aries project and would like  
>>>> access to the OSGi CT. I've submitted an NDA.
>>>> --kevan
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
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