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From Ran Ziv <>
Subject Re: New mailing lists
Date Sun, 21 May 2017 12:03:31 GMT
Matej, John etc. - The issue we keep coming back to, and the reason we try
to avoid emails, is that discussions on emails are simply much slower than
ones on Slack.

John, regarding summarizing slack conversations on the mailing list
manually - that's possible, but then I feel like we might be getting the
worst of both worlds - someone would have to spend the time summarizing the
conversation, plus it would not be as complete as it would have been had it
been copied in its entirety (or, alternatively, have taken place entirely
over the mailing list). I personally think the bot - assuming we can
improve its format somewhat - is actually more useful in that regard, even
when excluding the work one would have to do to summarize the conversation.

Arthur (and also Tal, who suggested it on Slack) - I'm very much against
moving specifically the daily updates to the mailing list, keeping
everything else on Slack. IMO it makes sense to do it exactly the other way
around. The updates are about things which are in progress, and are much
less relevant to the mailing list than actual discussions and announcements
over completed features etc.

We need to find the right balance between the overhead the mailing list
incurs and the need to have everything logged on the list - and IMO the bot
is the best solution at this time.
However, John, if you think otherwise, even after taking into consideration
what I've mentioned above, then let us know what other flow you suggest
exactly, and we'll follow that instead.


On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Matej Arta─Ź <> wrote:

> Dear all,
> I like this proposal. I am an outsider who is interested in the activities
> and progress of your project. It would be really great for me if this
> mailing list would contain what John suggests. I think it would greatly
> improve visibility into your project and likely provide a grounds for some
> additional discussion and comments from a larger community.
> Best regards,
> Matej
> John D. Ament je 15.5.2017 ob 16:12 napisal:
> No, and that's sort of the issue at hand here.  I've requested these
>> mailing list changes because the dev@ traffic is typically github or JIRA
>> chatter.  We have no on list discussions.  I'm basically trying to force
>> you guys to actually talk to one another via email, since our other
>> attempts have not worked out well.
>> I would expect that Slack discussions are summarized here by those
>> participating in them.  Not automatically.
>> John
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM Arthur Berezin <>
>> wrote:
>> I missed the Slack chat, but sounds good +1. Is there an easy way to get a
>>> digest of the slack chat over dev mailing list?
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017, 21:43 John D. Ament <> wrote:
>>> All,
>>>> Based on a brief chat on Slack, I'm going to go ahead and create two new
>>>> mailing lists:
>>>> - commits@
>>>> - issues@
>>>> The reason being, the dev list is designed for developer discussions,
>>>> but
>>>> most of the banter is on JIRA issues or GitHub PRs/commits.  To
>>> effectively
>>>> measure the community openness we need to separate the types.
>>>> All changes in a JIRA issue will be sent to issues@ and all commits
>>>> will
>>>> go
>>>> to commits@.
>>>> John
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