Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-apr-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-apr-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 12C5B9DCC for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 97946 invoked by uid 500); 9 Apr 2012 13:08:39 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-apr-dev-archive@apr.apache.org Received: (qmail 97861 invoked by uid 500); 9 Apr 2012 13:08:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@apr.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@apr.apache.org Received: (qmail 97848 invoked by uid 99); 9 Apr 2012 13:08:39 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:08:39 +0000 Received: by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix, from userid 2161) id 55B369DB5; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by gauss.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9B231D for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:08:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4F82DF55.5040802@apache.org> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 15:08:37 +0200 From: Ruediger Pluem User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: APR Developer List Subject: Re: modes of discussion References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jeff Trawick wrote: > Some of the behavior here is embarrassing. Yelling about not > following procedures that nobody else even follows as stated, > threatening, whining, crudity or at least making fun of objections to > crudity, extreme defensiveness, etc. do not reflect well on us or our > ability to do anything together. Even without staking out extreme > positions, attempts to communicate concerns in the simplest manner can > elicit very strong emotional reactions which feed the frenzy. Some > less active participants must see it as a poor statement on the human > condition that there can be such fireworks about such a simple little > project. > > We need to try harder to avoid the extreme offensive and defensive > positions and acknowledge that e-mail is a limited tool in the best of > circumstances, and that some of us are enigmas to each other even in > the best of circumstances. > +1. Well put. Regards R�diger