From dev-return-17331-apmail-apr-dev-archive=apr.apache.org@apr.apache.org Thu Sep 28 09:25:04 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-apr-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 71502 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 09:25:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 09:25:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 47902 invoked by uid 500); 28 Sep 2006 09:25:04 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-apr-dev-archive@apr.apache.org Received: (qmail 47552 invoked by uid 500); 28 Sep 2006 09:25:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@apr.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@apr.apache.org Received: (qmail 47541 invoked by uid 99); 28 Sep 2006 09:25:02 -0000 Received: from idunn.apache.osuosl.org (HELO idunn.apache.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.84) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:25:02 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests= Received: from [82.195.155.60] ([82.195.155.60:44297] helo=dochas.stdlib.net) by idunn.apache.osuosl.org (ecelerity 2.1.1.8 r(12930)) with ESMTP id 50/5D-05478-6E49B154 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:24:58 -0700 Received: from colmmacc by dochas.stdlib.net with local (Exim 4.50) id 1GSs9i-0004s7-9Z; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:26:10 +0100 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:26:10 +0100 From: Colm MacCarthaigh To: Garrett Rooney Cc: "William A. Rowe, Jr." , APR Development List Subject: Re: Dialog - NOTICEs at APR Message-ID: <20060928092610.GA18633@dochas.stdlib.net> Reply-To: colm@stdlib.net References: <4500FEB8.4080108@rowe-clan.net> <4519B1F4.5040408@ztune.net> <4519C336.5000205@rowe-clan.net> <4519C821.2020204@rowe-clan.net> <451ABB40.50109@rowe-clan.net> <451AE067.8060708@rowe-clan.net> <7edfeeef0609271338g6fb813a3xc21879791bd503c2@mail.gmail.com> <451AF2B9.8010703@rowe-clan.net> <7edfeeef0609271456k8daa774gd46d5b0046a33251@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <7edfeeef0609271456k8daa774gd46d5b0046a33251@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 05:56:56PM -0400, Garrett Rooney wrote: > If Sun or Covalent gives a damn about getting properly credited then > they can tell their committers to use their @themothership.com address > on the list. When people gain commit, with emphasis on the word "people" there, we generally start refering to them by name only. As a meritocracy, we give credit to the individuals who write code or docs or whatever, and that's what names in CHANGES are really about. We don't give a crap who they work for, or if they change jobs, or e-mail addresses, the credit is personal to them. Acknowledging a copyright is a different thing IMO. Personal contributors can own their own copyright, or frequently, it may be owned by their employer. If a copyright owner wants the acknowledgement they are rightly entitled there is nothing we can do about it. Basic copyright law, and the ASL 2.0 4.c (which is how the work is licensed to us) definitely apply. It's a good idea that copyright owners get explicit notices if they want them, after all if someone wants to re-license that content, or if they suspect an infringement, they need to contact the primary copyright owner. We can choose to accept he patch with those terms, or to not accept it, but we absolutely cannot over-ride the copyright owners wishes. Of course, we can come up with a useful suggestion, hopefully acceptable to all. but it's worth noting that right now ASL 2.0 4.d basically suggests that the NOTICES file is the correct place for notices of this nature. -- Colm MacCárthaigh Public Key: colm+pgp@stdlib.net