Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-apr-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 10216 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2005 21:15:50 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Feb 2005 21:15:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 3699 invoked by uid 500); 5 Feb 2005 21:15:49 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-apr-dev-archive@apr.apache.org Received: (qmail 3656 invoked by uid 500); 5 Feb 2005 21:15:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@apr.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@apr.apache.org Received: (qmail 3643 invoked by uid 99); 5 Feb 2005 21:15:49 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: domain of david@jetnet.co.uk designates 80.87.128.128 as permitted sender) Received: from kosh.jetnet.co.uk (HELO kosh.jetnet.co.uk) (80.87.128.128) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:15:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kosh.jetnet.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B396120A4A for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:15:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kosh.jetnet.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kosh.jetnet.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17919-04-3 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:15:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.117] (82-69-108-39.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.69.108.39]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kosh.jetnet.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4AD21897 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:15:21 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <42053769.1000400@jetnet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:15:21 +0000 From: David Reid User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@apr.apache.org Subject: Re: Licensing for apr_dbd and MySQL References: <200502051107.23310.nick@webthing.com> <20050205162120.GD10529@scotch.ics.uci.edu> In-Reply-To: <20050205162120.GD10529@scotch.ics.uci.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at jetnet.co.uk X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 11:07:20AM +0000, Nick Kew wrote: > >>I don't know if MySQL's exception for open source projects would cover us. >>I'm not really happy with it: it looks to me like a potential torpedo under >>the whole of MySQL's GPL licensing. It also raises ugly questions over >>whether it might impose unacceptable additional constraints on closed-source >>users of the APR - i.e. does it give them an exception to the GPL too? > > > Right: the problem isn't for us as we'd be covered by their open-source > exception, but the problem would be for our downstream repackagers. The ASF > policy is not to include any licensing restrictions that prevent closed source > applications on the code that we ship. > > MySQL has a special exception for PHP that allows derivative works to not fall > under the GPL. Such a clause might work, but in reading the text of that > exception, I'm not so sure it holds up either. > > Also, their FLOSS License Exception doesn't seem to be quite what we want: They do seem, as an organisation, to be quite well aware that restricting their "reach" by licensing isn't helpful and therefore seem qilling to talk about exceptions and different clauses, so maybe such a clause can be crafted for APR. Without a dialogue we won't know. Before we weigh in with legal people I'd suggest we try and find a low key route to such a discussion and kick it off directly, maybe cc'ing legal. This brings us back to the question, does anyone here know any of the mysql development team who could help? david