Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-apr-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 28230 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2005 16:21:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Feb 2005 16:21:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 26323 invoked by uid 500); 5 Feb 2005 16:21:56 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-apr-dev-archive@apr.apache.org Received: (qmail 26290 invoked by uid 500); 5 Feb 2005 16:21:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@apr.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@apr.apache.org Received: (qmail 26277 invoked by uid 99); 5 Feb 2005 16:21:56 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from scotch.ics.uci.edu (HELO scotch.ics.uci.edu) (128.195.24.168) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:21:55 -0800 Received: from scotch.ics.uci.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scotch.ics.uci.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j15GLKWW000651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jerenk@localhost) by scotch.ics.uci.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id j15GLK6M000650; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:21:20 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: scotch.ics.uci.edu: jerenk set sender to justin@erenkrantz.com using -f Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:21:20 -0800 From: Justin Erenkrantz To: Nick Kew Cc: dev@apr.apache.org Subject: Re: Licensing for apr_dbd and MySQL Message-ID: <20050205162120.GD10529@scotch.ics.uci.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Justin Erenkrantz , Nick Kew , dev@apr.apache.org References: <200502051107.23310.nick@webthing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502051107.23310.nick@webthing.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0-r105955 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0-r105955 (2004-11-20) on scotch.ics.uci.edu X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 11:07:20AM +0000, Nick Kew wrote: > I don't know if MySQL's exception for open source projects would cover us. > I'm not really happy with it: it looks to me like a potential torpedo under > the whole of MySQL's GPL licensing. It also raises ugly questions over > whether it might impose unacceptable additional constraints on closed-source > users of the APR - i.e. does it give them an exception to the GPL too? Right: the problem isn't for us as we'd be covered by their open-source exception, but the problem would be for our downstream repackagers. The ASF policy is not to include any licensing restrictions that prevent closed source applications on the code that we ship. MySQL has a special exception for PHP that allows derivative works to not fall under the GPL. Such a clause might work, but in reading the text of that exception, I'm not so sure it holds up either. Also, their FLOSS License Exception doesn't seem to be quite what we want: http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/foss-exception.html I'll also note that there is legal-discuss@apache.org which has a number of lawyers and such - they may also be able to provide some (non-binding) advice. HTH. -- justin