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From Branko ─îibej <br...@xbc.nu>
Subject Re: [PATCH] apr_getopt_long interface update and interleaving support
Date Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:24:51 GMT
Karl Fogel wrote:

> I confess I don't understand the nuance of these `const' usages.
> 
> The code needs to permute argv; if it can't, we'll have to change the
> interface, right?  If Greg H has to cast internally to get something
> he can permute, then we might as well not require a const on the
> castee in the first place.
> 
> Does the above declaration still permit permutation of the array?
> (Apologies; I'm rereading my K&R and still not fully understanding
> what the above does.)

There's a neat trick to reading C type definitions -- do it right from 
left, in order of operator binding, starting from the identifier. So 
when you see

    const char *const *blah

you read it as "blah is a pointer to a constant pointer to a character 
which is const", and

    char *argv[]

becomes "argv is an array (yep, binds stronger than dereference) of 
pointers to char".

Things become clearer now. The other catch is that "const" acts on the 
object to its right, not the type, and the ambiguity of C's typedefs 
only confuse more: "const char*" and "char const*" are identical, 
whereas "const char**" and "char **const" aren't (that's obvious), but 
people tend to find it confusing, anyway.


It also becomes clear why "argv" isn't declared a "const char**" -- 
sinply because it wasn't in K&R C, which had no notion of const, and 
changing that in the standard would break practically every program in 
existence. There's a lot of such baggage floating around in C, 
especially in the library (do you love strchr, too?).

(Yes, I've never been able to understand how C, a complex and downright 
dangerous language to use, could have become so popular over, e.g., Ada. 
I'd say at least 50% of software bugs arise from C programmers not 
understanding what they're writing ...)

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Brane ─îibej
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