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From "Ganelin, Ilya" <Ilya.Gane...@capitalone.com>
Subject RE: [VOTE] PPMC change
Date Tue, 17 Nov 2015 07:28:50 GMT
As one of the initial active folks on the list of committers (and thus a PPMC member) I'm acutely
aware that I'm potentially forfeiting a seat on the PMC by voting for this proposal.

However, I fundamentally believe that the folks who should have a meaningful influence on
a project's direction are those who have demonstrably earned that role. Anything else seems
disingenuous and not in the spirit of Apache - a culture based on meritocracy and contribution.
If the founding members ultimately decide that they want broader community involvement by
involving others, that decision should be up to them. I feel that they have earned the privilege
of explicitly making that decision.

I think it's unfair to portray a resignation as a negative in this instance. I don't think
there's any question that the Apex PPMC seeks to grow the community In a sustained and meaningful
way but that can only happen when the project maintains its integrity and clarity of purpose
from the beginning.

Thank you,
Ilya Ganelin

-----Original Message-----
From: Hitesh Shah [hitesh@apache.org<mailto:hitesh@apache.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 01:19 AM Eastern Standard Time
To: dev@apex.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] PPMC change

-0. This is effectively asking a bunch of the initial committers to resign from the PPMC.
That said, this is not a -1 from me as it is up to the initial folks who came in as part of
the Incubation proposal to decide on how they would like to move forward and foster the community
for the longer term.

— Hitesh

On Nov 15, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Thomas Weise <thw@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> Please vote on the following Apache Apex (incubating) PPMC membership
> change. Please refer to discussion at:
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-apex-dev/201511.mbox/%3CCAKJfLDOw7on_VLJxAWLjgtpyvRt1d33c4wFNJrRbfYoo6dTifA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> The proposal is to reduce the size of the PPMC to the list of members shown
> below (plus mentors) along with guidelines for expansion. If you are on the
> initial committer list, then you are currently on the PPMC and should vote
> on this proposal.
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApexProposal#Initial_Committers
> From the beginning, the intent of the project was to be very open on
> adding committers.
> Contributors should be able to join as a committer with a low threshold.
> Our aim was and remains building an open community. As stated in the
> discussion, it was also the intent to start with a small PPMC and vote in
> new members as we go, reflecting a growing and diverse community.
> Opportunities for contribution:
>   - Code, tests, ideas
>   - Pull request review
>   - Documentation
>   - Organize meetups and other events
>   - Participation on email list
>   - Web site work
>   - Release management and verification
>   - Publishing papers and blogs
>   - Presenting at conferences
> Committer:
>   - Contribution in one or multiple of above categories
>   - ICLA
>   - Voted in by PPMC
> PPMC member
>   - Existing committer
>   - Consistent contribution and activity over a period of time
>   - Participation in directional and community building discussions
> New PPMC (before mentors)
>   - Gaurav Gupta
>   - Pramod Immaneni
>   - Amol Kekre
>   - Chetan Narsude
>   - Thomas Weise
>   - David Yan
> It is our intent to expand this initial PPMC within weeks following the
> vote based on the guidelines stated above.
> More information on PPMC:  https://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html
> Voting ends one week from today, i.e. midnight PST on 2015-11-22
> http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20151123T00&p0=886&font=cursive
> Thanks,
> Thomas


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