Mailing-List: contact dev-help@any23.apache.org; run by ezmlm
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: dev@any23.apache.org
Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy includes SPF record at
 spf.trusted-forwarder.org)
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="Apple-Mail=_883A05E5-5314-4FAB-AC2D-EE471716D31A"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\))
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Any23 1.0 Release
From: Gregg Kellogg <gregg@greggkellogg.net>
In-Reply-To: 
 <CAGaRif2ELc8fL7sbZReTkYOBRNcMnTt1q2DDpc4b-P2-mAVGnA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 16:41:49 -0700
Cc: user@any23.apache.org,
 "dev@any23.apache.org" <dev@any23.apache.org>,
 Public RDFa <public-rdfa@w3.org>,
 "semantic-web@w3.org Web" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Message-Id: <F397ACC9-AFDB-4F90-A4F6-807B22C5FB4E@greggkellogg.net>
References: 
 <CAGaRif04LqR8dJQw4fZpf+RTdyuCVfUk+1juy3rrLKfy2DTrpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <0A7FDB20-E2E6-407E-B681-D7C47A227F0B@greggkellogg.net>
 <CAGaRif2ELc8fL7sbZReTkYOBRNcMnTt1q2DDpc4b-P2-mAVGnA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Lewis John Mcgibbney <lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com>

--Apple-Mail=_883A05E5-5314-4FAB-AC2D-EE471716D31A
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=us-ascii

On May 16, 2014, at 3:04 PM, Lewis John Mcgibbney =
<lewis.mcgibbney@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>=20
> Thanks for your email.
> Please see my replies inline.
>=20
> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Gregg Kellogg =
<gregg@greggkellogg.net> wrote:
> Do you ever expect to fully support RDFa 1.1?
>=20
> Yeah we do. Eventually someone will get around to it. If this is an =
itch you have, we would very much encourage you to itch it and push it =
back into the Any23 codebase ;)

Not really a Java guy, so I don't think I can help here.

> Look like it's just RDFa 1.0 with prefix support, even that fails many =
tests.
>=20
> Based on which version of Any23? Have you tried this new release or =
are you just stating this based on your previous experience/assumptions?

As I referenced, I used the http://any23.org/turtle endpoint. Perhaps =
you haven't updated that yet, the version at the bottom of the =
http://any23.org page says 0.9.1-SNAPSHOT from 2014-04-13, so it's =
reasonably recent.

> Please refer to thhe following ticket for a new RDFa parser proposal =
which can be considered as the flagship issue of the 1.0 release.
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ANY23-137=20

Looks like there are several comments in there relating to this already. =
If the snapshot version doesn't include this, then that would explain =
it.

> I think in the past, we've suggested using alternative Java RDFa =
implementations; both Semargl [1] and clj-rdfa [2] are quite performant =
(substantially faster than the any23 endpoint [3]) and fully conforms to =
the spec.
>=20
> The end point you refer to has recently been overhauled and will be =
updated with nightly SNAPSHOT's of stable Any23 code from now on. I've =
just jumped on to leading this initiative so please bare with us until =
our scripts pull the next build some time tonight.

Excellent; once it's updated, you can either try pointing the RDFa test =
harness yourself, or feel free to contact me for support.

>=20
> Running the basic test suite[4] shows you passing only 58 out of 170 =
tests.
>=20
> Again, based on what version of Any23?
> We are currently at 1.0. I would however really like to work with =
whoever runs this service to improve the stats as much as possible... =
once I know what the stats are actually quantifying and representing.

The rdfa.info service is run by the RDFa community; the test suite there =
is used to determine conformance of processors claiming to support RDFa =
1.0 or 1.1, which is where the EARL reports used to generate the overall =
conformance report come from. The any23 endpoint is configured in for =
informational purposes, along with that of most conforming processors. =
The overall implementation report for RDFa 1.1 can be found here: =
http://rdfa.info/earl-reports/

You can either run the service by cloning the rdfa.info website =
<https://github.com/rdfa/rdfa-website> and running it using the =
run-suite script, or most easily, simply enter the endpoint of your RDFa =
processor (such as http://any23.org/turtle) and it will be run =
automatically from the web page. This gives detailed conformance reports =
for each test across all host languages and RDFa variations. I'd be =
happy to work with you on this.

Let me know if I can help further; it would be great if any23 becomes =
100% conformant for RDFa.

Gregg

P.S., there are also some Microdata to RDF tests at =
<https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/htmldata/raw-file/default/microdata-rdf/tests/inde=
x.html> if you're interested.

> Thanks
> Lewis


--Apple-Mail=_883A05E5-5314-4FAB-AC2D-EE471716D31A--