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From Martin Gainty <>
Subject RE: Doing Ant builds
Date Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:51:50 GMT

9/10 when you cant accomplish what is seemingly the simplest task in maven
everyone (even the senior engineers) say run an ant task

whatever build environment you're implement ANT is what every build engineer starts with
BTW: CruiseControl, NANT and Maven were ALL built using Ant..

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> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:43:14 -0700
> From:
> Subject: Re: Doing Ant builds
> To:
> I wasn't dis'ing Ant.  I was comparing Ant in the Java World or NAnt in the .NET world
to Batch files.
> ________________________________
> From: Dominique Devienne <>
> To: Ant Users List <>
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:43:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Doing Ant builds
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Eric Fetzer<> wrote:
> > "solution files" - if you're building .NET, go look at NAnt instead of Ant.
> > The difference is similar to that of a Volkswagon Beetle vs. Rolls Royce...
> Me think in the end more Beetles were sold, for far more total money,
> than Rolls Royce's ;-)
> Just picking on your analogy, that's all. I'm sure NAnt is a good too.
> Always easier to improve on an existing tool you copy, when you have
> the luxury of hindsight and no backward compatibility constraints
> though. Regarding the XML syntax, yes, it clunky but it's also that
> it's good enough that people don't want to spent the time making (or
> learning as a user) other front ends to Ant, something the body of Ant
> committers have already said on this list (or the dev list) they'd
> support and make it easier by adapting the Ant core if needed, if the
> patches started coming.
> Like many successful projects, Ant in part fell victims to its own
> success, where any evolution has to take the large body of scripts
> (and code in Ant's case) using it into account. There are many good
> alternatives to Ant out there, some better even most likely, but Ant
> has a community, tool / IDE support, and books to still make it
> relevant despite its many flaws. It's momentum has definitely slowed
> mind you, but just like Make it's not going away any time soon.
> Gradual obsolescence is normal in this field after all :) --DD
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