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From: Douglas Bullard <dbullard@nurflugel.com>
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Subject: Re: AW: Tool for documenting Ant scripts
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:43:49 +0100
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Thank you for the constructive (and detailed) feedback!  I'm =20
recovering from surgery for the next month or so, and will have plenty =20=

of time to incorporate your comments.

Most of these were things I overlooked (never used  <subant>, but it's =20=

easy to incorporate).

The grey icon on the desktop is actually a repeating bitmap, but =20
doesn't show up too well (if you tile it, it's a repeating desktop =20
image of flying wings).  I'm going to replace it with a better image.

On OS X, PDF output is part of the GraphViz application port for that =20=

platform - I've searched around, but still haven't found a really good =20=

way of generating PDF in Windows (there's GhostScript, but then that =20
requires still yet another third-party installation routine).

Would you like to be notified as I incorporate your changes to see if =20=

they help with your scripts?


Thanks,

Douglas Bullard


I really do appreciate the detailed comments - I wish my users at work =20=

were this good. :)


On Nov 26, 2007, at 07:37, <Jan.Materne@rzf.fin-nrw.de> =
<Jan.Materne@rzf.fin-nrw.de=20
 > wrote:

> My first few cents:
> - seems to be good
>
> - doesnt handle <subant>
>  =
http://www.nurflugel.com/webstart/AntScriptVisualizer/help/html/html/what_=
exactly_is_ant_script_vis.html
>
> - good idea of handling multiple buildfiles
>
> - can it deal with dynamic imports?
>  <property name=3D"import" value=3D"default.xml" description=3D"Override=
 =20
> on command line"/>
>  <import file=3D"${import}"/>
>
> - dealing with dynamic macros?
>  <target name=3D"init.macros" depends=3D"macro.1, macro.2"/>
>  <target name=3D"macro.1" if=3D"do.1">
>      <macrodef name=3D"macro"> ...
>  <target name=3D"macro.2" unless=3D"do.1">
>      <macrodef name=3D"macro"> <!-- same macro name -->
>  <target name=3D"useit" depends=3D"init.macros">
>      <macro/>
>
> - Some words why no updates are needed: WebStart will check on each =20=

> start.
>  =
http://www.nurflugel.com/webstart/AntScriptVisualizer/help/html/html/updat=
es.html
>
> - When reading the infos on the homepage, I havent found any license
>
>
> Ok ... next step. I try starting that
> =
http://www.nurflugel.com/webstart/AntScriptVisualizer/antscriptVisualizer.=
jnlp
>
>
> - Warning of not signed application
> - Good: whats new information
>  -- i am missing a window title
>  -- reverse order would be better (newest on top)
>  -- close botton should be outside the textarea so you dont have to =20=

> scroll for clicking
> - Options dialog is missing a title
>  -- PDF on OsX only?
>
> - I try check.xml from Ant's codebase.
> - Default settings: include imported, group nodes, concentrate =20
> lines, delete .dot, show macros, show
>  taskdefs, show ant+antcall, show targets, png,
>
> - Result: just a note on the buttom: "Operations completed. Check =20
> your directory for graphic files."
>  What is my directory? I'll have a look at check.xml's directory. Ok =20=

> - a "hidden" file (as *.dot are
>  associated with MSWord templates ;) - check.dot. But no PNG.
>
> - "Find Dot" Button. Another frame without title. The path shown is =20=

> too long for the small text field.
>  The text field could have the width of the frame. Cancel.
>
> - Error message: Cant run without Graphiz ...
>  Ok. When do you try to run this application? Why the =20
> ScriptDependency Visualizer quits after that message?
>
>
> Restart ...
>
> - "Help" seems to print parts of the homepage as JavaDoc. Just =20
> "Help" as title is not good IMO. You should always include
>  the application name.
>
>
> Ok, I had "problems" with DOT before. I'll retry the application for =20=

> further information, because there is no "requirements" section in =20
> the help.
>
> Another time: "Operations completed" but only the .dot was created. =20=

> (Having a look into that file it seems to be ok for a user usually =20
> not reading these files.)
> You shouldnt print "completed" if there are steps missing: the =20
> creation the the PNG failed because of missing DOT-application!
>
>
>
> When seeing the main window you dont know when the creation will be =20=

> done (it's directly done after selecting the buildfile).
>
> There are some options deactivated
> - Filter from node ...
> - Filter through node ...
> - Node ordering (Right-to-left + Left+to-right)
>
>
>
> Jan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Douglas Bullard [mailto:dbullard@nurflugel.com]
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 24. November 2007 18:53
>> An: Ant Users List
>> Betreff: Re: Tool for documenting Ant scripts
>>
>> I should have added a link to my earlier post on my Ant tool,
>> this is
>> the page with sample output from different types of Ant
>> scripts:
>> http://www.nurflugel.com/webstart/AntScriptVisualizer/help/htm
>> l/html/using_ant_script_visualizer.html
>>
>> Douglas Bullard
>>
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2007, at 08:25, Hans Schwaebli wrote:
>>
>>> I once seen that there is a tool to document Ant scripts. I
>> think it
>>> created HTML pages with images showing how the scripts and tasks
>>> relate to each other.
>>>
>>> Can you please tell me the name of that tool so that I can
>> download
>>> it?
>>>
>>>
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