Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-ant-user-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 65901 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2007 12:56:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Sep 2007 12:56:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 51813 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2007 12:56:22 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-ant-user-archive@ant.apache.org Received: (qmail 51781 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2007 12:56:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact user-help@ant.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Ant Users List" Reply-To: "Ant Users List" Delivered-To: mailing list user@ant.apache.org Received: (qmail 51762 invoked by uid 99); 19 Sep 2007 12:56:22 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:56:22 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of mark.o.miller@gmail.com designates 64.233.184.234 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.184.234] (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.234) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:56:22 +0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 76so41822wra for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:56:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=1GtwwiPlODaScDqdKboqi0HV8IfomxOYu4rxacRzF6g=; b=PseVvH/rlUvN+oagi+JlbTGB7JpGMdcTyFE+DhjiU9bT1JFv33QMfDArcltddyJIDszyJWwb4vtdGNuCY+ismEtdwtl46cMWV1CGPtb2DE+E8tIkHG3zBFrEHTNV4Q6GsOoDw3IsSu+iG0LniuJ2pxITD9me0kEH/58O5CRiDhY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XrawLqYjw9UO7lgbSrDSusvSHSumrHVzHdeHEKsvwpPsOdPVNKOzWjxT8G2tYd4Ihs01QIDOgN375V2sWHA47ucDryENbNwZ5UqA5J9ejZLa5Od2PFxf/nv/kEil7mq9iXepcmyYTPp5Q5YEWUHDIfWZ1aJeNd4Bff+YgL8zP2c= Received: by 10.142.76.4 with SMTP id y4mr131156wfa.1190206560734; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.76.3 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a06c4da0709190556j38b42dafqc9399e65a8d7deee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:56:00 -0600 From: "Mark Miller" To: "Ant Users List" Subject: Re: What should be downloaded In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13162_917626.1190206560694" References: X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ------=_Part_13162_917626.1190206560694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > ??? really? What are the other scenarios (for non-developers)? > > > Jan One example of non programmers using ant are the users of a specialized solution that I built for document transformation processing that uses ant as the engine. In my case the users know how to get the inputs together and have a purpose for the output - but they may not have had any previous need for ant for traditional 'build' type software development operations. For the folks that use my solution, it is often the first reason they are impelled into the ant world. That's what I love about ant - it's a tool. I came to understand it as a developer, but use it as a flexible foundation to solve several different types of problems. Mark ------=_Part_13162_917626.1190206560694--