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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:47:50 +0000
From: "Peter Reilly" <peter.kitt.reilly@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Python implementation for Ant
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On 2/8/07, Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here's a link to Terence Parr's "Humans should not
> have to grok XML" article:
>
> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-sbxml.html
>
> In it he explains the distinction between XML as a
> data representation format, the use for which it was
> AFAIK intended,
This is one viewpoint.
HTML is from the same source and it is for
human consumption.
XML is actually easier that HTML as it is less forgiving
with regard to mistakes.
> vs. as an explicit interface for human
> consumption.  Regardless of your own position, I found
> it an interesting read.  Terence is an example of a
> noted personality in the OSS community who develops in
> Java but has never touched Ant precisely _because_ of
> its XML interface.
Mmm,
I spend ~15 years fighting cryptic make files - sometimes
I wrote perl scripts to help - it was not a pleasant experience.
I never really understood the M4 / configure / autoconf stuff.

I found ant build files to be simple to understand and to
use for java projects (once one realized that the commands/tasks
are directory based).

Peter


> So such developers definitely
> exist, thought it's quite possible he is the only one
> whose aversion to human-targeted XML is a strong
> enough deterrent in and of itself.  ;)
>
> -Matt
>
> --- "Scot P. Floess" <floess@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd have to agree with Rob...  Have you ever looked
> > at Voice XML?  It took is scripting but using XML as
> > the "markup" language....
> >
> > What is your aversion to XML with regards to it as a
> > scripting language?  I personally like it...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: "Anderson, Rob (Global Trade)"
> > <Rob.Anderson@nike.com>
> > >Sent: Feb 8, 2007 12:58 PM
> > >To: Ant Users List <user@ant.apache.org>
> > >Subject: RE: Python implementation for Ant
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Hans Schwaebli
> > [mailto:hans_schwaebli@yahoo.com]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:01 AM
> > >> To: Ant Users List
> > >> Subject: Python implementation for Ant
> > >>
> > >> What do you think about the XML format used for
> > writing Ant
> > >> scripts? I don't like it.
> > >>
> > >>   What about writing Ant scripts in a script
> > language like
> > >> Python or Jython instead of writing them in XML?
> > I think it
> > >> would be much more productive.
> > >>
> > >>   There seems to be a private project for this,
> > but it is not
> > >> official, not from Apache.
> > >
> > >I have no issues with XML. It seems to work well
> > for me. It is easy to
> > >read, understand, and maintain build files in XML
> > format. I have no
> > >desire to change the way I am currently writing
> > build files.
> > >
> > >-Rob Anderson
> > >
> > >
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