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From: Alex Russell <alex@netWindows.org>
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Subject: Re: Verbosity... [WAS: RE: problems with javac...]
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:34:27 -0500
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On Thursday 05 June 2003 10:56 am, Dominique Devienne wrote:
> Now come on, that's a nasty jab at Java Developers ;-)

It wasn't meant as a jab, just a frustrated observation that of all=20
the languages I write in, and all of the communities of developers=20
that I interact with, Java developers seem to send me the most=20
un-necessarialy verbose replies.

> It's more likely Outlook's fault or rather the fact that few people
> configure it to reply with the previous message >'d, 'cause it
> messes up poor Outlook's spell checking... (that's my reason at
> least)

I guess that makes some sense. I suppose brain-dead MUA's can't be=20
helped in some environments.

> And yes, Java is verbose.

Well, that much I know =3D )

> Maybe you prefer Fortran's brevity of
> method names? Or the potentially numerous function calls hiding in
> a seemingly simple C++ statement? Bertran Meyer didn't even include
> method overloads in Eiffel to avoid even further confusion. Java's
> verbosity is part of its strength, and shows you explicitly almost
> everything that's going on. I'm also a fan of C++ for its power,
> and gripped about Java's verbosity at the beginning, but I've come
> to greatly appreciate it...

My commentary wasn't on the language. I think Java is a fine language=20
for many tasks, and I write in Java when it is the best tool for the=20
job.

My comment was in regard to mailing list discussions. Whether there is=20
a correlation between language verbosity and programmer verbosity, I=20
don't know. I doubt I could make a case either way. However, it was=20
my observation that fewer people here seem to have an understanding=20
similar to mine of what kosher behavior on public lists consists of.

I just know that when I'm catching up on the hundreds of messages from=20
the various lists I'm on, it is much easier to get to the meat of an=20
issue when replies are placed in context, thread ID headers are=20
preserved, and replies are trimmed. I was frustrated because none of=20
those conventions seem to be in effect around here.

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Alex Russell
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alex@netWindows.org
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