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From: peter reilly <peter.reilly@corvil.com>
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To: Ant Users List <user@ant.apache.org>
Subject: Re: AW: Graphical editor of the Build.xml
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:51:59 +0100
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That is one ridiculous article.

I have always found the syntax of
ant scripts easier than the nonsense of make files.

Peter
On Wednesday 04 June 2003 15:38, Matt Benson wrote:
> Again, I think such a tool probably would be very
> clumsy; I was only trying to answer the original
> question as I interpreted it.  However, you can read
> an argument in favor of such a tool abstracting the
> build.xml into some other representation in Terence
> Parr's article "Humans should not have to grok XML":
>
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-sbxml.html
>
> -Matt
>
> --- Jan.Materne@rzf.fin-nrw.de wrote:
> > No, yes, ...
> > We think that the original questions goes in that
> > direction, but
> > that wasn=B4t quite clear. What is a "graphical IDE"?
> > We gave some examples on text based editors with
> > nice features like
> > syntax highlighting and more.
> > For "reverse engeneering" the buildfile we have
> > VizAnt.
> > But we don=B4t know any tools for "forward engeneer"
> > buildfiles from
> > any kind of models - and we thought, that this isn=B4t
> > very useful, because
> > to much special things have to specified therefore
> > direct writing is quite
> > easier and faster.
> >
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Matt Benson [mailto:gudnabrsam@yahoo.com]
> > > Gesendet am: Dienstag, 3. Juni 2003 23:25
> > > An: Ant Users List
> > > Betreff: Re: Graphical editor of the Build.xml
> > >
> > > Oh, that... I had read that before; I thought we
> >
> > were
> >
> > > talking about a way to graphically edit build
> >
> > files.
> >
> > > -Matt
> > >
> > > --- Jacob Kjome <hoju@visi.com> wrote:
> > > > You need to install the native graphviz program
> >
> > for
> >
> > > > your particular
> > > > platform and then grab vizant from here:
> > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/vizant
> > > >
> > > > Then do something like...
> > > >
> > > >      <target name=3D"vizant">
> > > >          <taskdef name=3D"vizant"
> > > > classname=3D"net.sourceforge.vizant.Vizant"
> > > > classpath=3D"${vizant.jar}"/>
> > > >          <vizant antfile=3D"build.xml"
> > > > outfile=3D"build.dot"/>
> > > >          <exec executable=3D"dot"
> > > > failifexecutionfails=3D"false"
> > > > resultproperty=3D"graphvizSuccess!">
> > > >              <arg line=3D"-Tpng build.dot -o
> > > > build.png"/>
> > > >          </exec>
> > > >          <fail unless=3D"graphvizSuccess!">
> > > >          You probably need to install GraphViz
> >
> > which
> >
> > > > is a native program,
> > > >          not a Java library &gt;&gt;&gt;
> > > > http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/graphviz/
> > > >          </fail>
> > > >      </target>
> > > >
> > > > Jake
> > > >
> > > > At 01:34 PM 6/3/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > > > >I visited the link but it wasn't immediately
> > > >
> > > > obvious
> > > >
> > > > >to me how to use this tool with Ant.  Can you
> > > > >elaborate?
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks,
> > > > >Matt
> > > > >
> > > > >--- Markus Dettori
> > > >
> > > > <markus.dettori@wuerth-phoenix.com>
> > > >
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, June 03, 2003 4:36 PM
> >
> > [GMT+1=3DCET],
> >
> > > > > > Jan.Materne@rzf.fin-nrw.de
> > > > > > <Jan.Materne@rzf.fin-nrw.de> scribbled
> >
> > earlier:
> > > > > > > Mmm, I thought about writing such a
> >
> > generator
> >
> > > > > > (XMI->build.xml) but, you have
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > specifiy so much in the model - I don=B4t
> >
> > think
> >
> > > > that
> > > >
> > > > > > this would be really
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > useful.
> > > > > > > Writing the buildfile manually is then
> >
> > much
> >
> > > > more
> > > >
> > > > > > comfortable and already
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > supported.
> > > > > > > With Vizant (I think there are more) you
> >
> > can
> >
> > > > > > create a "diagram" of your
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > buildfile,
> > > > > > > so you can get an overview.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > FYI/BTW:
> > > > > > in order to visualize your build.xml I found
> >
> > it
> >
> > > > > > useful to use the Graphviz-Tool.
> >
> > http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/graphviz/
> >
> > > > > > easily integrateable with ant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greetz
> > > > > > Markus
> >
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