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Subject: RE: Dropping JDK 1.1 support
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:25:31 -0600
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Thread-Topic: Dropping JDK 1.1 support
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From: "Chappell, Simon P" <Simon.Chappell@landsend.com>
To: "Ant Users List" <user@ant.apache.org>

I do recognise the issue here. And for some it is going to be =
insurmountable. But I still favour moving forward. Life is a series of =
trade-offs. I am willing and able to move forward, you are unable to =
move forward. (I make no assertions about your willingness). The list =
will vote and the outcome will be decided. That's the way it is.

We have a very similar situation at my employer. They have selected =
WebSphere as their application server, but they selected version 4 which =
restricts us mightily in our J2EE options, and because they also =
selected WSAD 4, we get stuck with ant 1.3! Now that's an old version of =
ant. So to use a newer version we have to break the rules, install a =
recent SDK and use ant externally to the officially blessed environment. =
This happens, and we deal with it the best we can.

Simon=20

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Cohen [mailto:SCohen@sportvision.com]
>Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:17 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: RE: Dropping JDK 1.1 support
>
>
>The fact that previous versions of ant are not going away doesn't help
>when the previous versions have bugs or lack some particular piece of
>functionality that is added later, which might be perfectly compatible
>with 1.1.  I'm not a committer and I have no vote, and I'm not
>necessarily opposed to migrating compatibility at this point=20
>to 1.2, but
>there is a downside to this sort of thinking and it needs to be
>recognized which I don't think you do.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:Simon.Chappell@landsend.com]=20
>Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:13 AM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: RE: Dropping JDK 1.1 support
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jesse Stockall [mailto:jesse@cryptocard.com]
>>Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:02 AM
>>To: Ant Users List
>>Subject: Re: Dropping JDK 1.1 support
>>
>>
>>On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 09:50  AM, Chappell, Simon P wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> MacOS only supports 1.1, and will never see anything
>>newer. The free
>>>>> VM's (Kaffe, SableVM, etc) do not support all the 1.4
>>>> features, MacOS X
>>>>> just got 1.4.1 a couple days ago. OS/2 has 1.3.1, OS/390=20
>has 1.3.1,
>
>>>>> Linux on pSeries (RS/6000) has 1.3.1, Linux on 31 bit
>>>> zSeries has 1.3.1.
>>>>
>>>> It seems that the only system in the above list which would be=20
>>>> affected by a shift to JDK 1.2 would be MacOS. As long as Ant 1.5.x
>>>> continues to
>>>> be supported (only for bug fixes, obviously) I don't see=20
>>any problem.
>>>
>>> Actually, given that MacOS (i.e. all versions previous to OS=20
>>X) is now=20
>>> official in end of life status, and that all new development=20
>>is going=20
>>> into OS X, this does not seem like a huge concern to me. I use OS X=20
>>> and have just upgraded to Java 1.4.1, so I'm not having a=20
>>problem with=20
>>> this personally. :-)
>>
>>So are you offering to to purchase new Macs for all those still using=20
>>MacOS 9?
>
>No.
>
>>Just because Apple has decided to EOL MacOS 9, does not mean that=20
>>everyone upgrades over night. Only about 20% - 30% of all Mac=20
>>users are=20
>>using OS X, that leaves quite a few with Java 1.1
>
>The previous versions of ant are not going away. You can=20
>continue to use
>them. The absolute worst case here would be that you could continue to
>use ant 1.5 with JDK 1.1 on older Macs.
>
>>Jesse Stockall - jesse@cryptocard.com
>>CRYPTOCard Corp.
>
>Simon
>
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