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From "Chappell, Simon P" <Simon.Chapp...@landsend.com>
Subject Interesting marketing slogan (was: RE: ANT visions and best practices)
Date Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:51:35 GMT
Thanks Steve.

I do just have a quick question about your comment ("It's the dog's b*****ks of Ant books")
on the bottom of the page:

http://www.iseran.com/Steve/papers/antbook.html

Do you confuse many Yanks with that? Being British (even if I live and work on the other side
of the pond) I know exactly what you mean, but I'm sure that my co-workers would not! :-)

Simon

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Simon P. Chappell                     simon.chappell@landsend.com
Java Programming Specialist                      www.landsend.com
Lands' End, Inc.                                   (608) 935-4526


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Loughran [mailto:steve_l@iseran.com]
>Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:08 PM
>To: Ant Users List
>Subject: Re: ANT visions and best practices
>
>
>
>I would back up Simon's comments, and add that amazon.co.uk 
>seems to have
>better ship time & pricing, at least the last time I looked. In the
>meantime, Ant in Anger covers some of the topics.
>
>Tips
>
>1. Download xdoclet from xdoclet.sf.net and start looking at 
>it as the way
>of generating all your EJB deployment descriptors, taglibs, etc.
>
>2. look at junit, httpunit and cactus, if you havent already. 
>Java tools for
>Extreme Programming is another book in this area.
>
>3. Get a copy of IntelliJ IDEA
>
>4. Set up an automated build system, such as CruiseControl
>(cruisecontrol.sf.net), for a continuous build.
>
>5. automate all deployment, post deployment testing,
>
>6. treat deployment config problems as defects and write tests for them
>before you fix.
>
>I have some papers and presentations you might find interesting at
>http://iseran.com/Steve/papers.html
>
>-steve
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chappell, Simon P" <Simon.Chappell@landsend.com>
>To: "Ant Users List" <user@ant.apache.org>
>Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 09:54
>Subject: RE: ANT visions and best practices
>
>
>That's quite an application you have there. Looks like this 
>would benefit
>from a divide and conquor approach. Start by figuring out the 
>dependencies
>between deliverables. Can you build the client without the DB 
>and EJB's? If
>you can, then keep that as a sub-project and let it have it's own build
>file. We don't use EJBs here yet, so someone else will need to 
>offer code
>for building those. Build those separately and use the 
>resulting JAR files
>as dependencies for other sub-projects that need them.
>
>Summary: build each module as a separate sub-project. Use the 
>output from
>builds as the input to other builds. Keep asking for help.
>
>Pay for overnight shipping on the Ant book or find a bookstore 
>that would
>carry it. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and buy the book
>yourself to get the job done in realistic timeframes (just ask 
>my poor wife,
>who shakes her head everytime a parcel arrives from Amazon.com at our
>doorstep!)
>
>Simon
>
>
>
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