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From "Anthony W. Marino" <>
Subject Re: Ant: The Definitive Guide (Orielly)
Date Thu, 30 May 2002 14:47:15 GMT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Bailey" <>
> To: "Ant Users List" <>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:42 AM
> Subject: RE: Ant: The Definitive Guide (Orielly)
> > And, what does the book provide that the online docs do not?  For
> > example,
> I
> > have a copy of "Java Tools for Extreme Programming: Mastering Open Source
> > Tools Including Ant, JUnit, and Cactus".  THe sections on Ant are really
> > weak.  If you'd never seen Ant before, they'd help, but it doesn't even
> > cover as much as the online docs (and in fact, even says to go read the
> "Ant
> > in Anger" article first :)
> but of course :)
> > If the Definitive Guide book gets really in-depth and provides a lot of
> > examples of really complicated build needs, that might be useful (e.g.
> > I'm thinking that a "Cookbook" version would be more useful).
> funny you should say that.
> I havent seen ant:tdg yet, but as the main competitor to the book on ant
> soon to come from Erik and me, they are a key competitor (the other is the
> on-line docs, which is why we opted not to repeat said docs*)). The book
> was originally scheduled to come out in, um February, and has slipped a
> couple of times.

How soon is soon?  I would expect yours and Erik's book to be the "Meyers - 
Effective C++" of ant.

Thank You,

> I dont know if the slippage was to put in ant1.5 features, or the usual
> "optimistic schedules no time to sleep" issues of any software project. But
> like any project with time-to-market needs, slip too much and you have to
> add more features to stay competitive.
> So I think the past few months will have been pretty hard for them. If they
> have ant1.5 features in there is a stability issue(**), and if they dont
> the book obsoletes fast. I bet there wont be a 'covers ant1.4 sticker on
> the cover'.
> (*) well, there will be a quick reference, but we will autogenerate it from
> javadoc comments using xdoclet; no gratuitous typing there :)
> (**) which is what a regression tests and full builds of all your examples
> every night are for

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