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From Dominique Devienne <DDevie...@lgc.com>
Subject RE: "if" task
Date Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:29:16 GMT
This scripty notion is just plain silly. You almost always have to do builds
conditionally. That's why make has them, and that's why ANT has them too,
albeit in a very ugly way by means of <condition>/properties and
if/unless/os on targets and other things too. Even Diane, the person who
gives the best advise on ANT, seems to think <if>/<foreach>/<trycatch> are
more than worthwhile, and their use makes build files 100 times better
structured than all these targets if/unless/os triggered by properties,
etc...

The objective to encapsulate all conditional/repetitive processes into tasks
is great, and ANT has made good progress on many tasks, but preventing all
ANT users out there of clean and elegant conditional/repetitive execution of
tasks, well that's being very blind to users need. People will prototype
their build processes with <if>/<foreach>/etc... and later streamline it
into a cleaner task or two.

Just try putting to a vote the inclusion of <if>/<foreach> into ANT core to
ANT *users*!!! These are still XML, are XSLT transformable, are clean and
elegant. They just formalize into a very natural way what ANT already does
(in a very inelegant way). Meritocracy shouldn't mean dismissing the need of
a very sizeable chunk of the ANT user community.

--Dominique "scripty" Devienne

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:jakarta-ant@ehatchersolutions.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:31 AM
To: Ant Users List
Subject: Re: "if" task

Write your builds in Perl if you want "scripty".

Hey, even call Ant from there if you like.  :))

By the way, there is a <script> task too.

    Erik

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Bettin" <javabettin@yahoo.com>
To: "Ant Users List" <ant-user@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: "if" task


>
> > It's considered too "scripty".
>
>  What is the motivation to keep ant from being to
> "scripty"?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
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