Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jakarta-ant-user-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 29990 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 10:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nagoya.betaversion.org) (192.18.49.131) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 10:03:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 7540 invoked by uid 97); 30 Jan 2002 10:03:29 -0000 Delivered-To: qmlist-jakarta-archive-ant-user@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 7475 invoked by uid 97); 30 Jan 2002 10:03:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ant-user-help@jakarta.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Ant Users List" Reply-To: "Ant Users List" Delivered-To: mailing list ant-user@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 7408 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 10:03:27 -0000 Message-Id: <200201301003.KAA033.06@MAIL.PingToo.com> From: "Brian Burch" To: "Ant Users List" Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:03:59 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: "Brian Burch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.1999 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Message: modern compiler not found, classic will be used Thanks, Diane and Steve, for your helpful comments. You've rounded-off the subject well and improved my understanding at the same time. X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N We developers of java-based, (implicitly or explicitly) cross-platform products are very fortunate, because "the environment" largely becomes someone else's problem. Strictly speaking, that's all there is to say. However, I'm sure you will agree that real satisfaction comes from seeing end-users derive valuable results from deployment of our products. End users don't always rtfm... they don't always even read the messages on popups from cute install wizards! IMHO a product works best when *most* first-time users (warts and all) gain sufficient rewards from initial use to *want* to learn more. I try to apply this general philosophy to draw a line with my own products... If a particular error is likely to be encountered by a newbie user, I usually go for "user friendly" messages. On the other hand, the majority of errors get the terse, professional treatment that yeilds a few relevant facts and (hopefully) a reference to the appropriate documentation. ant is already an excellent product. I hope it attracts and retains many new users. I can see that you spend a lot of time patiently answering questions from users. If more of your knowledge became easily and generally accessible, we would all benefit and you would spend less time going over "old" topics. It was a "cookbook" article that first lead me to ant, but I found the documentation daunting in scope, yet sometimes lacking in detail. I promise to read the articles referenced at http://jakarta.apache.org/ant/resources.html before I post any new questions! Regards, Brian Burch [http://www.PingToo.com/] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail: