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From "MacDonald, Ian" <>
Subject RE: Ant for J#?
Date Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:02:40 GMT
"Microsnort", "Microshlock", "Microslop", "Microshod", come on Michael, tell
us how you really feel about Microsoft.  While I'm open to listening to
anyone's opinion, when I see references such as this, I find it a little
hard to look past their biased views.  

I'm not defending Microsoft or any company for that matter, I just use
whatever vendor's tools are necessary to get my job done.  If Ant can help
me then so much the better.  If someone can add more support to Ant for
other vendor's tools then that is good too.


-- Ian MacDonald

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael J McGonagle []
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 6:55 AM
> To: Ant Users List
> Subject: Re: Ant for J#?
> Darth Darknerd wrote:
> > 
> > I don't want to be political, but what's the point on working on
> > abortive standards.  It is cumbersome technically to support
> > alternative java-like languages, and this may take away momentum
> > for existing java support and future developments.  Also, I fail
> > to see the point to support a language that will forever only run
> > on one environment: Windows.
> While I do agree with you, there is 95% of the world (or so the stats
> say) that would seem to disagree. Inspite of the fact that 
> Microsoft has
> proven that they insist upon dominating a market that they are neither
> prepared to, nor do they really care about, you can't ignore the
> Bohemoth.
> I know of quite a few companies in graphic arts who have put 
> their whole
> developement efforts into using Java on Windows (Creo/Scitex,
> Heidelberg, etc.), so they might want something like this for their
> developement tools.
> I do agree that things like J# may be a flash in the Pan, but is
> Microsnort marketing it as part of their .NET? Or are they just trying
> to reel in all  the Java developers that love their IDE. Aren't there
> Linux projects to port .NET to an open source code base? We all know
> that the only real reason that Microshlock does these things is to
> subvert technology that they are afraid of. (In a way, it should be
> taken as a compliment).
> Irregardless of how we feel, Microslop will not go away too 
> soon. Is it
> really going to take away from the developement if someone asks a few
> questions now and then? It might even help with some other problem...
> (Yes, I know somewhat-blind-optimism...)
> Mike
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