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From Peter Donald <>
Subject Re: for-each (another proposal)
Date Thu, 05 Jul 2001 06:29:24 GMT
On Wed,  4 Jul 2001 16:49, Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> Peter Donald <> wrote:
> > On Wed,  4 Jul 2001 01:06, Chris Greenlee wrote:
> >> Peter (Donald),
> >>
> >> <offtopic> Apologies, but your tone is quite often abusive.  People
> >> who post thoughtful comments ought not to be insulted just because
> >> you disagree with them.  </offtopic>
> >
> > I am not sure how long you have been on this list but he has been
> > repeating like a drone the same things over and over and over again
> > for a few months now.
> Well, that's a bit exaggerating, isn't it?  

A quick grep through the limited archives I have local identifies the first 
post I have from him in my archives is dated "Tue Jan 16th". The subject 
title is "To Script or not To Script".  Amusingly he seems to be supporting 
my position in that mail. 

> And "repeating the same
> things over and over and over again" seems to apply to many people,
> including myself 8-)

The difference is the tone and content. Sometimes repetition is constructive 
and at other times...

> > We listened the first time
> I still do.
> > I thought I was relatively polite given the history.
> Sorry, I have to disagree.  Would everybody please calm down, thanks.

Do you honestly believe that? When he is civil I treat him civilly (he 
actually made some civil responses of late and I responded in same fashion 
IIRC). When hes not I don't. If you believe he should be treated with the 
same level of respect regardless of whether it is justified - then yes I 
guess we disagree.

> The silly thing in this whole discussion is IMHO that we've already
> agreed to provide all necessary things for a foreach task in Ant2's
> core - that is Ant2 will have a foreach task, but it will probably not
> be part of the core tasks.

I know that, you know that, the people who raise these issues know that. So 
what does that say? What possible motiviation could they have for their 

> Whether we are ever going to have Ant2 is a different question.  The
> tone and (excuse me, but this is what I've seen during the last few
> weeks) lack of respect in recent discussions makes me wonder how we
> should ever agree on the more controversial details - without scaring
> off smart people that are willing to contribute but not willing to
> follow flames that is.

It seems as likely as it did last november and for much the same reasons (and 
the reasons have little to do with flaming).



| "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, |
| and proving that there is no need to do so - almost |
| everyone gets busy on the proof."                   |
|              - John Kenneth Galbraith               |

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