Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-ant-ivy-user-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 93096 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2008 10:10:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 22 Jun 2008 10:10:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 9484 invoked by uid 500); 22 Jun 2008 10:10:37 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-ant-ivy-user-archive@ant.apache.org Received: (qmail 9396 invoked by uid 500); 22 Jun 2008 10:10:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ivy-user-help@ant.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ivy-user@ant.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ivy-user@ant.apache.org Received: (qmail 9385 invoked by uid 99); 22 Jun 2008 10:10:36 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:10:36 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [194.120.234.254] (HELO oker.escape.de) (194.120.234.254) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:09:47 +0000 Received: from oker.escape.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (envelope-sender: kili@outback.escape.de) by oker.escape.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/$Revision: 1.72 $) with ESMTP id m5MAA37N020224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:10:04 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by oker.escape.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with UUCP id m5MAA38H020216 for ivy-user@ant.apache.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:10:03 +0200 Received: from petunia.outback.escape.de (kili@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by petunia.outback.escape.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m5MA9T9A009135 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:09:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from kili@localhost) by petunia.outback.escape.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id m5MA9Tnn014849 for ivy-user@ant.apache.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:09:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:09:29 +0200 From: Matthias Kilian To: ivy-user@ant.apache.org Subject: Re: Plea for a forum Message-ID: <20080622100929.GA4214@petunia.outback.escape.de> Mail-Followup-To: ivy-user@ant.apache.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:31:58AM +0100, Paul Newport wrote: > I've started looking at IVY recently and have had to subscribe at work > with my work email address, and at home with my home one, which is > somewhat frustrating. Get a mail account with web access, or some IMAP account. Or use one of the fine mailing list archives for reading and searching. > Mailing lists may have been OK years ago, but I seriously believe you > are shooting yourselves in the foot by having a mailing list instead > of forum. Look at the forum used by the Spring Project, or the JBoss > crew, highly active, loads of users and traffic, easy to search, can > log in whether at home or at work. Web forums are just inefficient and dictate the way you're using them. > Also some people's work IT managers like to monitor email traffic > (don't you love 'em) and frown upon constant emails coming in from a > mailing list. Those people shouldn't be called IT managers. Blocking their own developers, build managers, etc. from accessing valuable technical resources on the net (be it email, be it the web) is so incredibly stupid. A company with such a management *deserves* to have no success at all. Ciao, Kili