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From "Patrick Aikens" <>
Subject Re: Plea for a forum
Date Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:17:25 GMT
Especially in GMail, your methods wouldn't work.  If I just want to find the
e-mail my friend Bob sent me last month sometime with the name of that
website I can't remember, just quickly searching for "Bob website" in the
GMail search bar would probably hit dozens/hundreds of archived mailing list
e-mails in addition to the one I want, regardless of using labels and
archiving.  If I DILLIGENTLY labelled every e-mail, I could restrict the
search to a given label.  WAY too much time managing my e-mail at that
point.  Life's too short to spend that many hours sorting and tagging
messages.  Yeah, I could register another GMail account, but now I have yet
another e-mail address to maintain - I already monitor too many as it is -
I'd probably never even see the messages anymore since I'd probably never
feel I had the time to look at it.  I hate the idea of mailing lists in
general - in a perfect world I would only want mail addressed DIRECTLY to me
and addressing ONLY me in the body sent to my e-mail account - it's for
personal messages only.  Right now I tend to ignore mailing list traffic out
of habit because of its volume.  This thread only caught my eye as my
hopefulness for a forum I could visit only when necessary or had time to
devote to it piqued my interest.

Speaking of time, I suppose I've already spent too much time on this
anyway.  My interest has already been answered - no forum, not likely in the
future.  Time to delete this thread and set up the kill filter for the

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Niklas Matthies <>

> On Mon 2008-06-23 at 07:50h, Patrick Aikens wrote on ivy-user:
> :
> > I have GMail, and it's certainly not a replacement for a decent
> > forum - even with it's unlimited space, it's just silly to think
> > that ALL the Ivy users with GMail or an IMAP account should store
> > their own local cache of messages so they can search them later.
> Personally, I highly value a "local cache" for offline searching and
> for not losing the archive when the forum moves or shuts down.
> > I clean out all mailing list traffic on a regular basis - I don't
> > have any Ivy mailing list posts more than a week old.  I don't want
> > it cluttering up hits in my personal mail when I search it, and I
> > certainly don't want to have to include search modifiers EVERY time
> > I search my mail to omit all the mailing lists.
> The usual way to handle this is to use saved searches/virtual folders
> and/or to have mailing list messages auto-saved to dedicated folders
> (and other mails too to their respective folders).
> Really, once you've got accustomed to a powerful e-mail client, you
> may realize how much better that is than any forum UI in existence and
> than having to use a dozen forums on a dozen different sites. People
> who prefer mailing lists over forums usually don't do so because they
> are old-fashioned but because they find forum UIs to constitute a
> serious degradation of their user experience compared to their e-mail
> client.
> -- Niklas Matthies

Frank Lloyd Wright  - "TV is chewing gum for the eyes."

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