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From "Xavier Hanin" <xavier.ha...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: ApacheCon Talk
Date Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:07:26 GMT
For those interested, I've just checked in a new version of the slides
updated with some comments and slight review of some slides.

I still need to write the slides on the settings and finish to prepare the
third demo, but I think I'm not too far to what I'll use in may.

- Xavier

On 3/12/07, Xavier Hanin <xavier.hanin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 3/12/07, Jan.Materne@rzf.fin-nrw.de <Jan.Materne@rzf.fin-nrw.de >
> wrote:
> >
> > My few cents ...
> >
> > * PPT-Master
> > - You should write "ApacheCon EU 2007" instead of "ApacheCon 2007".
> > There are more (US, Asia...)
>
>
> Will do
>
> * Global Notes
> > - URLs in the PPT comment area for further information (Ivy Homepage /
> > Manual) would be helpful.
>
>
> Ok
>
> * History
> > - Some words about user community: how many users/committers, number of
> > downloads ...
> >    ==> Ivy is not a niche product
>
>
> About users and downloads it's difficult to say. I have the numbers of
> downloads before november 2006, that's all. I will try to see if I can put
> some meaningful numbers though.
>
> * #6: First contact
> > - Place some comments (in the comment area of PPT) about the properties
> >    ivy.jar.url    : URL to Ivy-Binary-Download (?)
> >    ivy.jar.dir   : Where to install Ivy
> >    ivy.jar.file  : ?
> >    ivy.lib.path  : Jars needed to run Ivy
>
>
> Yes, I should add comments on several slides, it's a good point.
>
> - Have you tried that target? I cannot follow the steps ... You're
> > downloading ONE file.
> >    Where do the JARs in ivy.jar.dir come from?
>
>
> It's basically the same as what is done in Ivy build itself, and in the
> go-ivy example, so it should work. The only file downloaded is ivy.jar,
> and this is enough. I use a fileset with all jars in the directory in case
> you also need an optional dependency (like commons-vfs, or oro, ...)
>
> * #7: First contact
> > - I miss a note where Ivy downloads the JARs from ... Ibiblio? Local
> > Repo?
>
> I will add one. It downloads from maven 2 repository (
> repo1.maven.org/maven2)
>
> * #14: Where do those files come from?
> > - "anything can be a repository": provide examples: "filesystem, svn,
> > Maven-Repo, ..."
>
>
> Good point
>
> * #15: Where do those files come from?
> > - You have to insert the ivyconf.xml ;-)
> > * #17: Modular development with Ivy
> > - Nice animation ;-)
> > * #19: Settings
> > - TODO
> > * #25: Ivy / Maven2 comparison
> > - spell: "if you already use ant": Ant in uppercase
>
>
> Ok
>
> * #26: Future
> > - Place notes about Mailinglists, Homepage and Issue Tracker
>
>
> Good idea
>
> Very nice!
>
>
> Thanks, and thanks a lot for your 2 cents, they worth much more for me :-)
>
> - Xavier
>
> Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > >Von: Vishal Vishnoi [mailto: vvishnoi@bea.com]
> > >Gesendet: Freitag, 9. März 2007 18:43
> > >An: ivy-user@incubator.apache.org
> > >Betreff: Re: ApacheCon Talk
> > >
> > >I like how you have presented pro's of both (Ant + Ivy) and Maven.
> > >
> > >My personal experience have been that Ivy WORKS :-). I've seen many
> > >projects trying to use Maven and crash and burn..imagine a
> > >build/dependency management system, which is so crippling and brittle.
> > >
> > >My favorite quote from someone using Maven was:
> > >
> > >"/I understood the technology of the project in not time. It took me
> > >ages to figure out how Maven works. Doing simple things is very hard.
> > >It's very buggy and has horrendous documentation/"
> > >
> > > I know you can't state this in your presentation, but just wanted to
> > >let you know that I'm glad Ivy is around for us to use with Ant.
> > >
> > >--Vishal
> > >
> > >Xavier Hanin wrote:
> > >> Thanks to your feedback I've updated the slides to integrate your
> > >> suggestions. I haven't tested if I'll have enough time with those
> > >> slides, it
> > >> may be a bit too long now.
> > >>
> > >> Tell me what you think would be the best to cut down if I
> > >need time. And
> > >> give me your feedback on the changes, especially on Maven / Ivy
> > >> comparison,
> > >> I wan't to be as fair as possible, so I'll welcome any comment.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your time,
> > >>
> > >> - Xavier
> > >>
> > >> On 3/9/07, Xavier Hanin < xavier.hanin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Ivy users,
> > >>>
> > >>> As you probablu alreaday know I'll give a talk at next ApacheCon
> > >>> Europe :
> > >>> http://www.eu.apachecon.com/program/talk/47
> > >>>
> > >>> I've just started preparing the slides, and I would like to
> > >gather some
> > >>> feedback. Obviously without the talk it's more difficult to get an
> > >>> opinion,
> > >>> but anyway, if you have time the very early draft of the slides is
> > >>> available
> > >>> here:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ivy/core/trunk/doc/p
> > >resentations/apache-con-2007/slides.ppt
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Any feedback would be strongly appreciated!
> > >>>
> > >>> - Xavier
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
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