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From Steve Cohen <>
Subject Re: AW: [patch] - adding support for new features in com mons-net 1.4.0 and performance improvement
Date Thu, 12 May 2005 10:38:39 GMT
Antoine Levy-Lambert wrote:
> Steve Cohen wrote:
>> However, it does seem to me that this test case is rather incomplete, 
>> and could be beefed up in several ways to test these and other recent 
>> features of commons-net which are not being tested here.
> Feel free to expand this test. I created this test to check that the 
> pattern selection features of the ftp task work, when I refactored it.

Makes sense, I suppose.  You would presume that commons-net has its own 
tests (indeed it does) and therefore only test the interaction with Ant.

>> I guess what I am asking is what the scope of these tests is.  Who 
>> runs them, when, and how?  (Do they change the password as I had to?).
> I believe almost no one runs these tests, except committers who are 
> changing the ftp task. To make this test work in gump, there would be 
> the need to install on the gump machine a standard ftp server used to 
> run the tests.

In commons-net we have tests that ARE part of gump and can be run 
anywhere and then we have tests that are NOT part of gump (we call them 
functional tests) since they depend on various ftp servers over which we 
have no control.  These tests are only run manually, although they 
should pass, assuming the server is up, from anywhere, without 
modification or -D definition.  (they use anonymous FTP).  Do you think 
it would make sense to add such tests here?  Or should I just be testing 
that the new attributes are accepted by Ant properly?

I am eager to test the time zone feature in Ant, which virtually 
requires an external ftp server and could be very useful in Ant.  The 
other new features, concerning languages other than English, etc., are, 
in my experience harder to test because there are so few servers that 
work that way anymore.  Almost all the publicly accessible ftp servers 
have converted to English month names.  I know because I looked all over 
the place and could find not a single one that didn't!  I presume that 
the non-English server complaints we occasionally hear about concern 
various private intra-company servers that use older ftp servers.  If it 
ain't broke, don't fix it.  Apparently older ftp servers actually called 
"ls" and the newer ones don't.  This will become even more moot as 
all-numeric timestamps become more prevalent in unix ftp servers - I 
recently learned that Debian is now shipping this way and hope this a 
wave of the future.

>> I've also committed install.html to indicate that from here forward, 
>> >= 1.4.0 is required.
> If 1.4.0 is required, is it not a big constraing for the 
> 1.6.4 release ?

Indeed.  I was proceeding on Stefan's instructions to put it into the 
HEAD and have a vote later about adding them to 1.6.4.  If the Ant team 
does not feel confident about requiring 1.4.0 so soon this vote will fail.
>> I am working on revised manual page for the ftp task which has 
>> optional new attributes but I want to tweak that a bit more.
> +1
> Antoine

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