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From Henri Yandell <>
Subject Re: [Fwd: Bzip, tar, zip, etc]
Date Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:51:43 GMT

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

> Henri Yandell wrote:

> > There are a few things here, in decreasing importance:
> >
> > 1) Code must be maintained to be worth using.
> > 2) Code must have a community to be maintained.
> > 3) The same code ought not to live in more than one place.
> > 4) Reusable code ought to be in Jakarta Commons.
> Well said, apart from 4 which I would say "could" instead of "ought to".

I thought you had buy in now that Commons was the place for low level
reusable bits if possible? ;)

> > Now, if the Ant developers are the only ones doing 1), and they are the
> > only 2) for the code, then according to 3) the code should be in one
> > place. This place ought to be Jakarta Commons, but if this is not possible
> > then it should be in Ant as 4) is the least important of the 4 things.
> This is why it was put in Commons, but the magic didn't happen ;-)

There is no magic/spoon [depending on movie/book of your choice].

> > So, +1 to the Ant guys managing the code inside Commons, +0 to the Ant
> > guys offering the jars as a separate build.
> I think the main issue with this is that Ant is somewhat at the top of
> the Gump dependency graph, and splitting things out is not something
> that fast and easy to do correctly.

Yep. If Ant people can be happy with it, I'm happy to build the three jars
in a Commons project and publish it on the site. Otherwise, I'm just
waiting for a nod to remove the source from the Commons repositories :)


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