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From Dominique Devienne <DDevie...@lgc.com>
Subject RE: [PATCH] adds 'if'/'unless' to <antcall> (CallTarget.java)
Date Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:47:59 GMT
Which would be viable only if the <if/> task wasn't broken. Ant is brittle
when dealing with container tasks and ids/datatypes/nested container
types...

Every time the debate starts again, and committers start refusing this
generalized if/unless issue to save me from shooting myself in the foot, it
makes my cringe. If you don't want to use it, then don't. But why refuse it
to everyone who wants to use it? Does Ant really want to be swallowed by
Jelly?

And personally, the if/unless/antcall debate would be moot if the nested
<depends target/if/unless> with proper static dependency analysis was
introduced, as it would take care of most of the use cases, but again
paralysis is striking!

The refusal to embrace XML namespace, which are increasingly being used with
XML and is a natural fit to partition XML dialect, is not a good sign
either. The lack of <antlib> and the multiplication of Ant extension points
beyond tasks/datatypes is hurting Ant even more (although Costin and Magesh
are working on those, when will they show up in a release? In a year? Two?)

Ant is a great collection of tasks, extremely useful, but the Ant core is
fast becoming out of date IMHO, and Ant is somehow becoming victim of its
success because any change is so excruciatingly difficult to get voted in.

Maybe I'm making it more dramatic than it really is, but I love Ant, and I
feel it's too stagnant, especially after the debacle of the Ant2 proposals.

--DD

-----Original Message-----
From: Jose Alberto Fernandez [mailto:jalberto@cellectivity.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:59 AM
To: Ant Developers List
Subject: RE: [PATCH] adds 'if'/'unless' to <antcall> (CallTarget.java)

If people really need to do contitional things they should just use
the <if/> task that comes as part of ant-contrib.

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