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From Nicola Ken Barozzi <>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Ant as a top-level project
Date Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:44:58 GMT

Costin Manolache wrote:
> Nicola - I partially understand your enthusiasm. But shouldn't
> you first do this in avalon and cocoon ? 

I don't need to lobby over there, it's basically already decided.
Ant was a big ?, and it sparkled a discussion, so I thought it was best 
to bring it over here ASAP to avoid discussing about Ant without Ant.

> Centipede is a nice
> project, but I think you're taking a very wrong approach to promote
> it.

Could be. As I said, it was just a stone in the water.
My excuses again if it has upset anybody.


My comments as an Ant "developer".

> 1. Should Ant have a formal PMC ? My vote is +1

+1 Seems you have already decided, anyway ;-)

> 2. Who should be part of this PMC ? My vote is for 'all active commiters'.


> 3. Should Ant be a top level project ? My vote is -0.


> 4. Should Ant have a domain ? Certainly +1


> 5. Should Ant leave Jakarta ? My strong -1.

I agree that it should not leave Jakarta for good. There is no need.
But then, what is it leaving: the PMC, the site, the community...

IMO if it makes a PMC, it will leave the _direct_ oversight of the 
Jakarta PMC, but it's also important IMO that it doesn't leave anything 

I think this would address your concerns.

> 6. Should Ant be transformed into a group of projects including centipede,
> maven, etc ? I think -1.

Stefan was clear on this and I agree too.
Many options were presented, and it seems that an eventual "federation" 
will be the best possible solution.

> 7. Should Centipede be accepted in apache/jakarta ? +1

Cool! :-D

> 8. Should Forest be the default content generation in 
> jakarta/apache/incubator/etc ? -1 ( for the same reason I -1
> 'lets convert all to maven' )

Currently, we'll try it for the main site, since it seems that the PMCs 
are in favor of trying it.

IMO codebases there should decide what they prefer, so I agree with you.

Nicola Ken Barozzi         
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

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