Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jakarta-ant-dev-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 14581 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 05:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nagoya.betaversion.org) (192.18.49.131) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 05:15:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 24717 invoked by uid 97); 11 Jul 2002 05:16:04 -0000 Delivered-To: qmlist-jakarta-archive-ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 24701 invoked by uid 97); 11 Jul 2002 05:16:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ant-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Ant Developers List" Reply-To: "Ant Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 24687 invoked by uid 98); 11 Jul 2002 05:16:03 -0000 X-Antivirus: nagoya (v4198 created Apr 24 2002) X-Authentication-Warning: costinm.sfo.covalent.net: costin owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:14:26 -0700 (PDT) From: costinm@covalent.net X-X-Sender: costin@costinm.sfo.covalent.net To: Ant Developers List Subject: Re: Death of a mutant ... In-Reply-To: <3D2CF5F7.5050503@cortexebusiness.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Conor, I don't know if you noticed - I am pretty stubborn and I like to fight when I think I'm right and is worth it. That doesn't mean I am right, or that other people have the same opinion with me- quite the contrary, most of the times the majority has a different opinion. I don't agree with blocking the development of ant1 or with going with a different codebase at this moment - but that means one vote only ( and probably a lot more arguments :-). I think ant2 is not very far away - and I hope it'll have in it elements from both mutant and myrmidon, together with the stability and simplicity ( and full API support )of the original codebase. All that's missing for ant2 is getting the 2 proposals incorporated into the main codebase - and few more ant1.x releases to mix it well :-) I do hope you'll reconsider removing mutant - and instead try to get it in the main tree - but in smaller chunks that everyone can handle ( and hopefully myrmidon will do the same ). Costin On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Conor MacNeill wrote: > With the recent discussion about Ant2 (thanks to Dion), it has become > clear to me that Ant2 will probably not be realized in my lifetime :-). > The obstacles are legion. To persist with the development of my Mutant > proposal under such circumstances does not make sense to me. I am, > therefore, withdrawing Mutant as an Ant2 proposal. > > I will be removing the code and associated pieces soon, although you > will still be able to access them in the CVS Attic (if you don't mind > the dust). > > The inability to achieve even limited progress on, what was at the time > at least, the accepted need for rearchitecting is a little disappointing > to me. Improving Ant on the current codebase is not impossible, and it > seems many people believe this is the way to go. I will be interested in > seeing how it progresses. OTOH, I am not interested in carping from the > sidelines and since I believe the current implementation has its flaws, > I do not expect to be very active in these efforts. > > If I have caused offence to anyone while arguing the case for change, > then I apologize. To those people who took the time to look at Mutant, > you have my thanks - I hope it was fun :-) > > Good Luck. > > BTW, if another committer would like to take over management of the Ant > mailing lists, I think that would make sense since I will be taking a > break. Please send an email to apmail@apache.org > > Cheers > Conor > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > For additional commands, e-mail: > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail: